School Project about CF

[Grom_PL]

I doing a heritage fair project about the CF and how there underfunded, underequip-ed, and outdated. My project is gonna talk about, the neglect of the liberals, how we can get up 2 par with our army if we can......... thats all i got now, If any1 can help with some info it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Baloo]

Why not, instead of talking only about the "Liberal neglect", you talk about the general lack of empathy by the public? The government cares only as much as the people do.

Defense site in general might be good start. "Who Killed the Canadian Military?" by Granatstein is also a good place to look.

 

[Grom_PL]

Thanx,for the info, and the suggestion, do u now any threads on this site that might be able 2 help me, I ll try 2 chech that book out from my loval library

 

[SHARP WO]

You could also watch the parliment channel, they show committees discussing the CF from time to time on a variety of subjects.

Sharp WO

 

[Meridian]

I wrote a paper for a polisci class basically emploring Canadians to wake up and smell the poop.
I approached the paper by approaching each of the fairly typical responses you get from the average joe canadian. "We dont need a military, healthcare is more important, etc).

 

[Grom_PL]

Thanx for the Info, I sure appreciated it, But i got a question, Did Pierre Trudeau actually try 2 take Canada out of NATO and NORAD, and when he could he screwed up CF pretty badly? I got this from the Sun and i want 2 verify if its is 100% true. Meridian u Polish?

 

[Meridian]

I'm not, no.


Don't know about the Trudeau stuff....  he doesn't speak much about the military in his memoirs, if that helps. Pretty much everyone has something negative to say about Trudeau in some manner.. the guy was pretty prolific

 

[Edward Campbell]

Without knowing the parameters of your heritage project, I would caution against trying to prove a negative, i.e. CF are â ?underfunded, underequip-ed, and outdatedâ ?. (I would also watch grammar and spelling.)

It might be better, and certainly easier, I would think, to highlight what the CF has done, at home and abroad, over the past, say, decade, despite the views of many experts and commentators (much stuff on line from e.g. Tom Axworthy, David Bercusson, Doug Bland, Lewis Mackenzie â “ to name just a very few who represent a variety of perspectives) to the effect that they are under-funded, under-staffed, poorly equipped, etc.

 

[Grom_PL]

Thanks for the insight, This project is getting bigger and bigger. With all this help im gonna have a huge porject. I defintly gonna make it to the regionol i hope. If i do, i credit u people who but a comment in this thread. I cant believe i learned so much just from this site. 

 

[Grom_PL]

Tell me if im on the right track, The Canadian Army, Ill divide the project into 3 parts, the achievemetns of the canadian army, the politics/history of the canadian army, and lastly the current status of the army and how we need to improve on it. THis is all Cold war/post cold war era

 

[Lexi]

Coincidence,
I wanted to write about the CF last year for my Heritage Fair project.
I ended up doing it on the RHLI.

This year I want to do a project on the JTF2.
I was going to start a thread but I might as well write about it here.

Does anyone have links/book titles of sources of information?

 

[Michael OLeary]

This year I want to do a project on the JTF2.
I was going to start a thread but I might as well write about it here.

Does anyone have links/book titles of sources of information?

Try the JTF-2 links in the Infantry FAQ  --  http://army.ca/forums/threads/21131.0.html

 

[Grom_PL]

Your doing a heritage fair project, what province, Try looking on google type JTF2, don't bother with the library last time i ask they had nothing about it, they also check the whole city of Hamilton nothing, the internet would be the best place to search, if your interested you can You can do the somailia incident, thats how our last SF got disbanded, my local libraries have lots of info bout that,

 

[Grom_PL]

Or u can search on this site like the other guy said

 

[jarko]

grom_pl, czy ty jestes Polak i piszesz z Polski??

 

[Fusaki]

I agree with Rusty Old Joint.

If you're trying to promote awareness and increase pride in the Canadian Forces, I suggest you stick to reporting achievements. Trying to prove how the current government is doing things wrong will put its supporters on the defensive when they read your paper. They'll put up their mental blocks and they'll poke holes in your arguments. Some people will argue until they're blue in the face and you'll never get your ideas across. But, if you point out CF accomplishments and give people a sense of pride they will be more receptive to new ideas and more inclined to support a more military-friendly government.

There is no public controversy surrounding whether or not clearing mines is good for mankind, so you don't need to take as much time proving it. Instead, you can focus on bringing as many good things about the CF to light as possible. If, on the other hand, you talk about how bad things are in the government you'll be expected to back those claims up with a wealth of hard evidence. I'm not saying you can't do it, but for a school project you might be biting off more then you can chew. Remember, there is a due date so you'd might as well get the most bang for your buck.

It's all about maneuvering. By focusing on the good points as opposed to the bad, you're dodging all sorts of tiring and mostly ineffective controversy. By focusing on the good in the CF, you're getting maximum effect for your time and effort.

 

[Grom_PL]

Ja nie jestem polack, Ja tylko lubie mowicz po polsku, naprawde ja jestem Polack, i mam zadanie, i tuta pytem pytania bo mam "heritage fair".
I nie ja nie piesem Po Polsku,

 

[Grom_PL]

Thank you, Thank you, guess, i do the achievements of the CF, and try to get the word out to a more-military friendly gouverment. Would adding why we need a good military be needed in my project 2.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Good show, Grom_PL.

The problem with saying the CF is under-funded, etc, etc is that you cannot prove it ... "What missions or tasks,â ? someone will ask, "has the CF been unable to perform due to inadequate funding?'

Better to say:

"¢ Many respected commentators - from a variety of backgrounds - claim the CF is under-funded, ill equipped and over-extended; e.g. _____ _______, _____ _______, and ____ _______; but

"¢ The CF has, since 1989 (15 years), done the following major tasks at home and abroad; thus

"¢ Despite financial, equipment and staffing problems - which the Prime Minister and Defence Minister acknowledge (cite their statements in 2004) - the people in the CF manage to get the job done; so

"¢ The CF could do even more, even better and faster if it had more money for equipment, people, training and logistics.

 

[Blunt Object]

I've heard from a Sgt Mjr. in the RCR that the CDN forces are some of the best armed platoons or sections in NATO or the UN. I've also read that in Afghanistan we use Mercadies Jeeps (which are "pimpin") the Canadian forces had the best mess food and soldiers from other armies kept trying to eat in the Cdn mess. I do agree with you that the Canadian Military has been jerked around and is grossly underfunded.




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