SWIPE SYSTEM
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There are definitely those on here with more experience/knowledge than I, but your story has a few holes they will need filled in so I'll start that process.
1. Just to confirm, you are being released 5D from the CAF and you are/were at CFLRS taking recruit training?
2. You talk about inconsistent swipes and inconsistent use of the swipe system. Do you mean you received 6 swipes but shouldn't have? ie. You were counselled 5 times but somehow got 6 swipes? Or do you mean you got swipes for something that someone else didn't?
3. You are absolutely allowed to grieve just about anything in the CAF, but what exactly is it you want to grieve? And what is the remedy (solution) you want to happen? ie. I was given a swipe because of X, but I feel I didn't deserve a swipe as others did the same thing and didn't get a swipe. Therefore I want that swipe removed and to be allowed to continue training. Or are you grieving the 5D release itself? Or something else entirely?
4. You ask about lawyers and which ones we may have used. Grieving something isn't like going to court. It is an administrative process that doesn't typically (or ever?) require lawyers. If you want one, you'll have to pay for them yourself (anyone with more knowledge please correct me), and I'm not sure what, is anything they'll bring to the table. Now if you're looking to take the CAF to court, that is another whole ball of wax and I recommend you do pay for a lawyer.
5. Yes people have grieved their release, and some have even won, but you'll have to do the research to find out who/what/why etc...
6. I'm not 100% sure if a grievance causes a release to pause or not. I suspect it does not according to AI (I used the search: "Will a grievance cause a military release to pause?"):
In general, filing a grievance in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) does not automatically pause or suspend a military release. The release process typically continues while the grievance is being addressed.
However, there are a few important points:
Hopefully this helps.
1. Just to confirm, you are being released 5D from the CAF and you are/were at CFLRS taking recruit training?
2. You talk about inconsistent swipes and inconsistent use of the swipe system. Do you mean you received 6 swipes but shouldn't have? ie. You were counselled 5 times but somehow got 6 swipes? Or do you mean you got swipes for something that someone else didn't?
3. You are absolutely allowed to grieve just about anything in the CAF, but what exactly is it you want to grieve? And what is the remedy (solution) you want to happen? ie. I was given a swipe because of X, but I feel I didn't deserve a swipe as others did the same thing and didn't get a swipe. Therefore I want that swipe removed and to be allowed to continue training. Or are you grieving the 5D release itself? Or something else entirely?
4. You ask about lawyers and which ones we may have used. Grieving something isn't like going to court. It is an administrative process that doesn't typically (or ever?) require lawyers. If you want one, you'll have to pay for them yourself (anyone with more knowledge please correct me), and I'm not sure what, is anything they'll bring to the table. Now if you're looking to take the CAF to court, that is another whole ball of wax and I recommend you do pay for a lawyer.
5. Yes people have grieved their release, and some have even won, but you'll have to do the research to find out who/what/why etc...
6. I'm not 100% sure if a grievance causes a release to pause or not. I suspect it does not according to AI (I used the search: "Will a grievance cause a military release to pause?"):
In general, filing a grievance in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) does not automatically pause or suspend a military release. The release process typically continues while the grievance is being addressed.
However, there are a few important points:
- Grievances must be submitted before release: A CAF member must submit a grievance while still a serving member. Once released, you generally lose the right to file a new grievance (unless you join the Supplementary Reserve).
- Process continues after release: If you submit a grievance before your official release date, it will continue to be considered even after you have transitioned to civilian life. You can still provide additional information and engage in the process.
- The CDS has the power to reinstate: The Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS), as the final authority in the grievance process, has the power to reinstate a grievor who has been improperly released. This implies that while the process itself may not pause, the final outcome of the grievance could potentially reverse an incorrect release decision.
- Exceptional circumstances: The Office of the National Defence and CAF Ombudsman can be contacted if exceptional reasons (such as time sensitivity, health, security, or financial concerns) prevent you from addressing concerns through regular channels, and they may be able to assist in ensuring all parties are aware of your circumstances.
- No automatic suspension: A "Notice of Intent to Grieve" (NOI) or the formal grievance itself does not, by default, suspend the submission timelines or the release process.
Hopefully this helps.
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You are correct in presuming that a grievance does not pause a directed release process. Members who submit a voluntary release request, followed by a grievance, may have their release cancelled subject to approval by the appropriate authority, pending adjudication of their grievance. Heavy stress on the word may.
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