the hostages

[FightingIrish]

at my school (wich is catholic) they have come up with the brainy i dea of getting the students to write to stephan harper about getting him to do more to get the hostages free....personally i think these letters will fall on deaf ears..one thing about my school is that the chaplain is clueless and this is where the letter idea came from...i dont htink they see the finer details and the complex situation it really is..especially the conditions for the safe release of the prisoners is to release all iraqi POW's...u cant just let thousands of warriors out of prisons so that they can fight again..to me the lives of 4 vs the lives of possibly 100's dosnt make sense

 

[DSB]

I understand that these guys went over there to help. Did they show up armed with only good intentions?  In such a volatile environment that wasn’t the greatest move.  Apparently one of them, (American?) is missing form the most current video.  I hope they pull through all right…those mad men over there haven’t been too nice lately.

I’m pretty sure government will not negotiate….hasn’t that been the policy in the past?

DSB

 

[Cloud Cover]

My fear is that the hostage takers are going to switch their demands and demand Canada pull out of Afghanistan, which we likely won't do. Domestic Islamic apologists will have a grand old time exploiting the potential pucker factor. [i.e. the Canadian political left.]

 

[tomahawk6]

These people had no business in Iraq. I really dont have any sympathy for them.

 

[Cloud Cover]

T-6 - A common sentiment on this board, but likely not one shared by the broader Canadian public who have been conned into thinking the hostages are actually some sort of innocent peacekeeping activists.

 

[Pike]

Should our PM do more?  Well for one thing I dont know what our government is doing, but I am sure that our diplomats in Iraq and throughout the middle east are working hard. There are people that do have that specific job.

Will we ever know exactly what we are doing? Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesnt like media, doesnt like answering questions directly. If we can infer anything from how our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on mexico, dont do it in Iraq!

 

[George Wallace]

Should our PM do more?  Well for one thing I dont know what our government is doing, but I am sure that our diplomats in Iraq and throughout the middle east are working hard. There are people that do have that specific job.

Will we ever know exactly what we are doing? Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesnt like media, doesnt like answering questions directly. If we can infer anything from how our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on mexico, dont do it in Iraq!

Pike

On the opposite end of the rope......Does the Government know what you are doing about this matter? 

 

[QV]

Its a terrible thing that happened to those "christian peace makers" but when you're warned and warned about going to such a volatile environment and you go anyway you are ...(searching mind for politically correct words)..... going to find yourself in a whole heap of trouble.  The question is this- Is it reasonable to risk other lives to go and attempt to rescue these people that purposely put themselves in this situtation against all advisement, or should that "service" be reserved for situations that are beyond the victims control?

 

[zipperhead_cop]

I read an interesting article in Maxim a while back.  The Cole's notes version was that a reporter got grabbed and was being held hostage.  All of his reporter colleagues knew, but said nothing to the authorities and kept hush about it.  Over time, the guy was moved around and was under the impression that various criminal and terrorist factions were bidding on him.  What he found out later was that because there was no media coverage on his abduction, they decided that he was a useless hostage and ultimately threw him out of a moving car in a market.  He also found out that the people whose disappearances made international news fetched big money from the terrorists, and pretty much sealed their fate. 
Funny the media saved one of their own with a conspiracy of silence, but are perfectly happy to splash these other folks all over the head lines. 

God be with all of them and their families.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

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If we can infer anything from how our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on mexico, dont do it in Iraq!

Now thats the stupidest thing I've read so far today,[ and its almost over, looks like a winner :clown:] just what were we supposed to do? invade a sovereign country?
Its obvious that you have no insight into some of the legalities of law enforcement........so stop painting things when you don't even know the colour scheme.

 

[RangerRay]

Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesnt like media, doesnt like answering questions directly.

Off topic!

I'm not sure what rock you've been stuck under, but I've found Harper, when he does come out to speak, to be the most direct PM in sometime when it comes to answering questions.  He couldn't have been more clear than when he told reporters how important our mission in A'stan was.

Martin, on the other hand, was the master of obfuscation and double talk ("Let me be clear!  Blah blah blah...") with a thousand priorities.

Now back to regular sheduled programming...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Should our PM do more?  Well for one thing I dont know what our government is doing, but I am sure that our diplomats in Iraq and throughout the middle east are working hard. There are people that do have that specific job.

Will we ever know exactly what we are doing? Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesnt like media, doesnt like answering questions directly. If we can infer anything from how our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on mexico, dont do it in Iraq!

Do you know 'anything' of the world beyond the campus? It sure doesn't seem so.

 

[Trinity]

And do they care?

Better question.. do we care.. lol! 

 

[FastEddy]

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Should our PM do more?  Well for one thing I dont know what our government is doing, but I am sure that our diplomats in Iraq and throughout the middle east are working hard. There are people that do have that specific job.

Will we ever know exactly what we are doing? Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesnt like media, doesnt like answering questions directly. If we can infer anything from how our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on mexico, dont do it in Iraq!

Gentlemen, its quite obvious that a number of our members have a certain dislike or objection to "PIKE".

Therefore they not only disagree, but Slam or Belittle her at every opportunity, which I do not find in accord with the Sprite of this Forum. Admittedly, a good deal of her Posts are quite questionable and may irritated some Members. But certainly not this last post which obviously you have not dissected it completely.

Q: "Should our PM do more?  Well for one thing I don't know what our government is doing."

A: No I don't know either and DO YOU ?

Q: " But I am sure that our diplomats in Iraq and throughout the middle east are working hard. There are people that do have that specific job."

A: Positive suggestion and Factual in that there must be People specally assigned for incidents like these.

Q: "Will we ever know exactly what we are doing? Our PM seems to be the secretive type, doesn't like media, doesn't like answering questions directly. "

A: A fair assumption of Ottawa (Lib. or PC.) and I find a fair description of PM Harper.

Q: " How our government has handled the Mexico murders then we can assume that our diplomats are doing NOTHING to help.  Sorry Harper, McKay, you guys dropped the ball on Mexico,

A: Admittedly, PM Harper had no choice but to take the PC High Road (which we all know is Blah-Blah-Blah).
But given the initial details of the crime and Mexico's accusations our Governments lagging response, I'd say we dropped the ball, but your never going to get that omission from the PC or Government whoever they are.

As for her mention of Iraq, I can't quite figure that one out, maybe she could clear that one up.

So all in all, what was so horrific in her Post ? , and deserving of slamming.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

OK I'll bite......She made an accusation the the Govt. dropped the ball on the Mexico murders and then ran without telling anyone how she reached that conclusion.......thats TROLLING pure and simple.

...and deserves to be slammed.

and what would you have done Mr. Investigator...........breached several diplomatic protocols and ran done there yourself to investigate?
You do know it is a sovereign country right, not just a place to vacation?

 

[George Wallace]

Thanks Bruce.  I had read FastEddy's reply and wanted to reply, but the aluminum cut in.

FastEddy

(and Pike)

Pike's comments are one sided only and without thought.  She complains about our (Western) interference in places like Iraq and Afghanistan,  then turns around and wants our Canadian Government to interfere with a Mexican Police investigation.  Is her left hand talking at all to her right hand?

She gives the attitude that she doesn't want Government intruding into her life, yet she wants to intrude into the lives of our Democratically elected officials.

As a police officer, conducting a Criminal Investigation, would you freely allow her as a member of the General Public to have access to every thing you have done, are doing and planning on doing in the process of solving the case?  Should everything that you are doing be Public knowledge?  Should the criminals know in advance that you intend on coming to arrest them at a given place and time?  Should all actions of Government be open to public discussion?  Should matters of National Security be made Open Source to any and all that want to know?  Canadians on a whole are very naive in these matters.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Thanks Bruce.  I had read FastEddy's reply and wanted to reply, but the aluminum cut in.

Another keyboard and clean shirt ...

 

[FastEddy]

OK I'll bite......She made an accusation the the Govt. dropped the ball on the Mexico murders and then ran without telling anyone how she reached that conclusion.......thats TROLLING pure and simple.

...and deserves to be slammed.

and what would you have done Mr. Investigator...........breached several diplomatic protocols and ran done there yourself to investigate?
You do know it is a sovereign country right, not just a place to vacation?

Bruce, not only am I surprised but disappointed that such a creditable contributer could reply in such a trivial and out of context, as above, the focus should be on the simple breakdown of her statement as I read it, not your Bias assumptions

It leaves me to ponder the reasons you so righteously rush to the defense of PM Harper and your endorsement of the new PC Government's actions.

You might have noticed that I said PM Harper had no other choice but to take the PC High Road, which was so much PC rhetoric and if you believed that then you must also believe that pigs can fly.

With regard to ongoing Police Investigations, of course the intricacies are not a public domain. However any First year Rookie, given the nature and method of the deaths, would conclude that the initial Mexican response was BS. Of course Mexico wanted to deflect suspicion or suspects as far away as possible. But if that was their official stance (which they conclued as factual). Do the math.

It seems you find it unreasonable that anyone can or should expect Truthful or Factual answerers from their  PM,MP's or Government. If the questions are of a sensitive nature, then they are not answered for just that reason. But the last time I checked, you could ask and you didn't have to say why.

Given "Pike"s Education, Articulation, Age and Initiative, its a fair bet that she's going to be someones Employer, Manager, Member of Parliament and if she decided to join the CF's, somebodies Officer i/c.
We should of course dispute her radical approaches, but in doing so it should be constructive and positive, not going after her tooth and nail.

It was not my intention to exonerate "Pike"s past performance, but to object to the gang mentality of some members and their Toadies .

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

No, I stand by what I said, I wouldn't care if it was Harper, Martin,Layton or the re-incarnate of Trudeau, there is not a whole lot the Govt. can do when it occurs in a foriegn country and the locals won't ask for help. We know what was more important to the local forces there but, and I noticed you didn't answer, what would YOU have done in our Govts. place?

...and again, the "gang mentality" [ your words] was probably cause the "troll" was too obvious to miss, even if one tried.
Hey, Ithink it would have been a good post if she had ended it with any ideas, good or bad, on how it should have been handled by the Govt.................heading back to the pond now.....

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Given "Pike"s Education, Articulation, Age and Initiative, its a fair bet that she's going to be someones Employer, Manager, Member of Parliament and if she decided to join the CF's, somebodies Officer i/c.

:rofl:

Hooo.  Good one.  If Pike signs up for the CF, I will create a new identity for myself, hide all my military training, take a leave of absence from WPS and make sure I get on whatever basic or RESO she ended up on just to watch the catastrophe in progress.  I would also create a daily blog, maybe call it "Socialist Thunder-in Tracker" for the rest of you to enjoy.  Of course, it would probably be two entries: 
Day 1.  Pike Issued kit.  Refuses to carry it until someone can confirm that the Canadian Cadpat is not an endangered indigenous species.
Day 2.  Discovers no Starbucks in mess. Quits.

And if she got rammed through the officer system, because maybe one of her parents is an MP or a senior officer, then we should all know about that and get out accordingly.