Unknown Soldier-Armbands

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Posted by Ian Edwards <[email protected]> on Mon, 29 May 2000 20:20:26 -0600
I watched CBCs half hour special on Sunday Report on the entombing of
the Unknown Soldier in Ottawa. Very moving ceremony, very well done.
One question arose in my mind. Why were the Officers of the CF and RCMP
wearing black armbands brassards? I am reasonably sure that, until
recently at least, the wearing of the black armband by commissioned
officers was restricted to mourning the death of a member of the Royal
Family possibly a serving GG as well. Would seem that CFAOs or
whatever must have changed. I don‘t have a problem with the changing of
the regulations, just wonder what qualifies nowadays?
Rather ironic to me only perhaps that the country mourns the death of
Maurice Rocket Richard at the same time. It was never clear to me how
he managed to escape conscription during WW2. Although truly a great
hockey player many of his records were made/started during WW2. Not to
imply francaphone bias I wonder how the NHL as a whole managed to exist
during wartime when the two Cdn teams Habs and Leafs were located in
Canada and the old four US teams were then comprised solely of Canadian
players. I can‘t imagine anyone as "healthy" as an NHL player.
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Posted by Jay Paton <[email protected]> on 29 May 00 19:54:50 PDT
Politics says a lot in both cases my friend.
Ian Edwards wrote:
I watched CBCs half hour special on Sunday Report on the entombing of
the Unknown Soldier in Ottawa. Very moving ceremony, very well done.
One question arose in my mind. Why were the Officers of the CF and RCMP
wearing black armbands brassards? I am reasonably sure that, until
recently at least, the wearing of the black armband by commissioned
officers was restricted to mourning the death of a member of the Royal
Family possibly a serving GG as well. Would seem that CFAOs or
whatever must have changed. I don‘t have a problem with the changing of
the regulations, just wonder what qualifies nowadays?
Rather ironic to me only perhaps that the country mourns the death of
Maurice Rocket Richard at the same time. It was never clear to me how
he managed to escape conscription during WW2. Although truly a great
hockey player many of his records were made/started during WW2. Not to
imply francaphone bias I wonder how the NHL as a whole managed to exist
during wartime when the two Cdn teams Habs and Leafs were located in
Canada and the old four US teams were then comprised solely of Canadian
players. I can‘t imagine anyone as "healthy" as an NHL player.
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Posted by Gunner <[email protected]> on Mon, 29 May 2000 22:21:03 -0600
IAW the dress manual mourning bands are to be worn only by officers and
CWOs. They are to worn prior to the funeral and during the funeral,
however, are to be taken off once the soldier is buried. As far as I
know they are to be worn for any military funeral.
I‘m not sure why everyone wouldn‘t wear a mourning band. I‘ve been to
several funerals in the last year and everyone seems to be wearing them
even though the dress regulation is pretty specific. I guess we‘re in
an era of doing whatever makes you feel good.
Ian Edwards wrote:
>
> I watched CBCs half hour special on Sunday Report on the entombing of
> the Unknown Soldier in Ottawa. Very moving ceremony, very well done.
>
> One question arose in my mind. Why were the Officers of the CF and RCMP
> wearing black armbands brassards? I am reasonably sure that, until
> recently at least, the wearing of the black armband by commissioned
> officers was restricted to mourning the death of a member of the Royal
> Family possibly a serving GG as well. Would seem that CFAOs or
> whatever must have changed. I don‘t have a problem with the changing of
> the regulations, just wonder what qualifies nowadays?
>
> Rather ironic to me only perhaps that the country mourns the death of
> Maurice Rocket Richard at the same time. It was never clear to me how
> he managed to escape conscription during WW2. Although truly a great
> hockey player many of his records were made/started during WW2. Not to
> imply francaphone bias I wonder how the NHL as a whole managed to exist
> during wartime when the two Cdn teams Habs and Leafs were located in
> Canada and the old four US teams were then comprised solely of Canadian
> players. I can‘t imagine anyone as "healthy" as an NHL player.
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Posted by Albert King <[email protected]> on Tue, 30 May 2000 00:12:21 0000
Just a note on Quebec during WW2.
Francaphones saw both world wars as Commonwealth Wars. They saw English
Canada comming to Britians rescue and of course they wanted no part.
Interesting though, it was France that took a larger beating then Britian
ever did. I guess that Quebec‘s anti-Britiah feelings are greater then any
loyalities to France.
Ian Edwards wrote:
> I watched CBCs half hour special on Sunday Report on the entombing of
> the Unknown Soldier in Ottawa. Very moving ceremony, very well done.
>
> One question arose in my mind. Why were the Officers of the CF and RCMP
> wearing black armbands brassards? I am reasonably sure that, until
> recently at least, the wearing of the black armband by commissioned
> officers was restricted to mourning the death of a member of the Royal
> Family possibly a serving GG as well. Would seem that CFAOs or
> whatever must have changed. I don‘t have a problem with the changing of
> the regulations, just wonder what qualifies nowadays?
>
> Rather ironic to me only perhaps that the country mourns the death of
> Maurice Rocket Richard at the same time. It was never clear to me how
> he managed to escape conscription during WW2. Although truly a great
> hockey player many of his records were made/started during WW2. Not to
> imply francaphone bias I wonder how the NHL as a whole managed to exist
> during wartime when the two Cdn teams Habs and Leafs were located in
> Canada and the old four US teams were then comprised solely of Canadian
> players. I can‘t imagine anyone as "healthy" as an NHL player.
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Posted by "dave" <[email protected]> on Tue, 30 May 2000 08:07:48 -0700
The province of Quebec supplied many fine soldiers to both wars.
The fact that they didn‘t feel an obligation to France or England, didn‘t
mean they were "anti".
Maybe they figured that European wars are best fought by Europeans.
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert King
To:
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Unknown Soldier-Armbands
> Just a note on Quebec during WW2.
>
> Francaphones saw both world wars as Commonwealth Wars. They saw English
> Canada comming to Britians rescue and of course they wanted no part.
> Interesting though, it was France that took a larger beating then Britian
> ever did. I guess that Quebec‘s anti-Britiah feelings are greater then any
> loyalities to France.
>
> Ian Edwards wrote:
>
> > I watched CBCs half hour special on Sunday Report on the entombing of
> > the Unknown Soldier in Ottawa. Very moving ceremony, very well done.
> >
> > One question arose in my mind. Why were the Officers of the CF and RCMP
> > wearing black armbands brassards? I am reasonably sure that, until
> > recently at least, the wearing of the black armband by commissioned
> > officers was restricted to mourning the death of a member of the Royal
> > Family possibly a serving GG as well. Would seem that CFAOs or
> > whatever must have changed. I don‘t have a problem with the changing of
> > the regulations, just wonder what qualifies nowadays?
> >
> > Rather ironic to me only perhaps that the country mourns the death of
> > Maurice Rocket Richard at the same time. It was never clear to me how
> > he managed to escape conscription during WW2. Although truly a great
> > hockey player many of his records were made/started during WW2. Not to
> > imply francaphone bias I wonder how the NHL as a whole managed to exist
> > during wartime when the two Cdn teams Habs and Leafs were located in
> > Canada and the old four US teams were then comprised solely of Canadian
> > players. I can‘t imagine anyone as "healthy" as an NHL player.
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Posted by Albert King <[email protected]> on Tue, 30 May 2000 16:00:19 0000
Of course Quebec provided many great soldiers towards the war effort. But many
saw including the Quebec government both wars as Canada getting involbed in
British conflicts. Comming to the rescue of the mother country. Francaphone
Quebeckers don‘t have the same alliegence to Britian that English Canada had or
still has. The past between the two sides is rockey. When Borden brought in
conscription Quebec protested strongly. It was basically Quebec against English
Canada, the English favored more troops to help the crown while Quebeckers‘
anti-English feelings were drummed up and were now being forced to fight for
people whom with they have a bad history. Yet they couldn‘t see that France was
taking the worst of it. Their dsilike for Britian was greater then their like
for France. English Canada supported the war much more enthusiastically then
Quebec. Unless you can give some other explaination.
The Quebec Government and many Quebeckers themselves have fought to eliminate
anything British out of Canada, or at least as much as they reasonably could.
Quebec leaders always talk of a special loyality to France which they consider
their "mother country. Talks take place between Quebec and France. No other
province does anything like that.
If we had just let Europeans fight European wars the world would be a lot
different.
dave wrote:
> The province of Quebec supplied many fine soldiers to both wars.
> The fact that they didn‘t feel an obligation to France or England, didn‘t
> mean they were "anti".
> Maybe they figured that European wars are best fought by Europeans.
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Posted by "Scott Lloyd" <[email protected]> on Tue, 30 May 2000 18:59:49 -0300
I certainly mean no disrespect for the thousand of men french and english
who loyally fought for Canada, in the Second World War. But, to believe
that the French didn‘t want to fight in the war because they hated fighting
for Britian in a Europian war, for the most part this was an excuse. Really,
do you believe that a person in rural NB felt any more loyalty to a country
they have never been to, and rarely recieved news fromprior to the war
than a person living in Quebec. I don‘t have all the answers, but one
situation, is that to some english people the army was a job, that paid.
Some of the frenchand english rejected conscription because with all the
soldiers going to war thier ablity to make money increased, they would look
for any excuse no to go...
I realized that my statements are not as clear as I would like them but I
hope that it is understood....
War usually unies a country, but in this divided the country and in some
cases families
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Albert King
To: [email protected]
Date: May 30, 2000 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Unknown Soldier-Armbands
>Of course Quebec provided many great soldiers towards the war effort. But
many
>saw including the Quebec government both wars as Canada getting involbed
in
>British conflicts. Comming to the rescue of the mother country. Francaphone
>Quebeckers don‘t have the same alliegence to Britian that English Canada
had or
>still has. The past between the two sides is rockey. When Borden brought in
>conscription Quebec protested strongly. It was basically Quebec against
English
>Canada, the English favored more troops to help the crown while Quebeckers‘
>anti-English feelings were drummed up and were now being forced to fight
for
>people whom with they have a bad history. Yet they couldn‘t see that France
was
>taking the worst of it. Their dsilike for Britian was greater then their
like
>for France. English Canada supported the war much more enthusiastically
then
>Quebec. Unless you can give some other explaination.
>
>The Quebec Government and many Quebeckers themselves have fought to
eliminate
>anything British out of Canada, or at least as much as they reasonably
could.
>Quebec leaders always talk of a special loyality to France which they
consider
>their "mother country. Talks take place between Quebec and France. No
other
>province does anything like that.
>
>If we had just let Europeans fight European wars the world would be a lot
>different.
>
>
>dave wrote:
>
>> The province of Quebec supplied many fine soldiers to both wars.
>> The fact that they didn‘t feel an obligation to France or England, didn‘t
>> mean they were "anti".
>> Maybe they figured that European wars are best fought by Europeans.
>
>
>
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