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Viagra Helps (Aerobic) Performance in AFG?

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Shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act - http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/info/act-e.html#rid-33409

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=06ff7534-d29c-4cec-83d0-0e5ca03558b0

... but if it's time to fight, they might want a Viagra
Drug could help troops cope with mountain altitudes, study finds

 
Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen, June 23, 2006

''U.S. scientists looking for a way to help soldiers perform in Afghanistan's mountains have found a miracle pill that safely helps the heart and lungs work at high altitudes -- Viagra.

In tests on cyclists in the thin air of high altitudes, the drug helped many men ride taller in the saddle, though it didn't boost the performance of everyone.

The study's next question is: Will it do anything for women?

Viagra was invented as a drug for high blood pressure and works by making some blood vessels relax and carry more blood. It was only while testing it for safety in volunteers that doctors recognized its side-effects -- which went on to become the main reason for prescribing the little blue pills.

Pfizer and its happy investors have never looked back.

But the heart benefits are still there, so researchers from Stanford University Medical Center and the U.S. Department of Veterans' Affairs tested the theory that, by helping the heart and lungs circulate oxygen-rich blood, Viagra might help athletes or workers at altitudes where the air is thin.

They set cyclists pedalling, comparing the performances of subjects taking the drug and others taking a placebo.

At sea level, Viagra didn't help anyone. But as the researchers made the air thinner in a test chamber that simulates mountain conditions, they found some men using Viagra could circulate oxygen to their muscles so well it raised their ability to work by as much as 45 per cent. Overall, this group improved by 39 per cent, as measured in time trials on a stationary bicycle.

Other men, for unknown reasons, found no benefit at all. Women haven't been tested yet.

And would there be side-effects with Viagra?

"Oh yeah!" affirmed Roger Pierson, a fertility researcher at the University of Saskatchewan.

The drug expands many blood vessels, he said. And if it's helping the lungs, it's creating an erection, too.

"It's also going to leave you with a headache," he said.

The 3,874-metre altitude simulated in the tests is similar to peaks in Afghanistan, or the Swiss Alps.

Viagra only helped four of the 10 men in the study, reports Anne Friedlander, a hormone researcher with Stanford and Veterans' Affairs. (All the men were strong cyclists.) Oddly, the ones it helped most were the ones who had the most trouble with the thin air in the first place, suggesting that the drug could be of great help to people who suffer altitude sickness.

Some of the men took the usual one-pill dose, while others took a double dose. The men weren't told who had the real pills, but it's a safe bet that some figured it out on their own.

Results are now published in the Journal of Applied Physiology.

But Dr. Alvaro Morales, a urologist at Queen's University, cautions that the benefits are short-lived, because Viagra doesn't stay long in the body.

The report "doesn't sound out of whack to me," he said. But "for a soldier who has to work not just for an hour or two hours, like having an erection, but maybe has to work for six or eight hours, the effect of the medication may be very short-acting."

DND officials turned down a chance to comment on the study.''

Can't get the full article, but if you can read "medicalese", here's the abstract from the Journal of Applied Physiology:
http://tinyurl.com/mepnt

J Appl Physiol 100: 2031-2040, 2006. First published February 2, 2006; doi:10.1152/japplphysiol.00806.2005
8750-7587/06 $8.00

Sildenafil improves cardiac output and exercise performance during acute hypoxia, but not normoxia
Andrew R. Hsu,1 Kimberly E. Barnholt,1 Nicolas K. Grundmann,1 Joseph H. Lin,2 Stewart W. McCallum,3 and Anne L. Friedlander1,4
1Exercise Physiology Laboratory, Clinical Studies Unit, Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System, 2Department of Medicine, Pulmonary and Critical Care, Stanford University School of Medicine, 3Department of Urology, Stanford University Medical Center, and 4Geriatric Research, Education, and Clinical Center, Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System, Palo Alto, California

Submitted 7 July 2005 ; accepted in final form 30 January 2006


Sildenafil causes pulmonary vasodilation, thus potentially reducing impairments of hypoxia-induced pulmonary hypertension on exercise performance at altitude. The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of sildenafil during normoxic and hypoxic exercise. We hypothesized that 1) sildenafil would have no significant effects on normoxic exercise, and 2) sildenafil would improve cardiac output, arterial oxygen saturation (SaO2), and performance during hypoxic exercise. Ten trained men performed one practice and three experimental trials at sea level (SL) and simulated high altitude (HA) of 3,874 m. Each cycling test consisted of a set-work-rate portion (55% work capacity: 1 h SL, 30 min HA) followed immediately by a time trial (10 km SL, 6 km HA). Double-blinded capsules (placebo, 50, or 100 mg) were taken 1 h before exercise in a randomly counterbalanced order. For HA, subjects also began breathing hypoxic gas (12.8% oxygen) 1 h before exercise. At SL, sildenafil had no effects on any cardiovascular or performance measures. At HA, sildenafil increased stroke volume (measured by impedance cardiography), cardiac output, and SaO2 during set-work-rate exercise. Sildenafil lowered 6-km time-trial time by 15% (P < 0.05). SaO2 was also higher during the time trial (P < 0.05) in response to sildenafil, despite higher work rates. Post hoc analyses revealed two subject groups, sildenafil responders and nonresponders, who improved time-trial performance by 39% (P < 0.05) and 1.0%, respectively. No dose-response effects were observed. During cycling exercise in acute hypoxia, sildenafil can greatly improve cardiovascular function, SaO2, and performance for certain individuals.



 
Is this going to merge with the condom thread?  /ducking/
 
milnewstbay said:
In tests on cyclists in the thin air of high altitudes, the drug helped many men ride taller in the saddle,
That has got to be one uncomfortable ride.

milnewstbay said:
The study's next question is: Will it do anything for women?
Doesn't it already? Ohhhh, you mean if the women take the pill.....gotcha  ;)


But seriously though, in a position where performance is a matter of life or death, would you really want our soldiers taking an "experimental" drug?  Something like this is never going to be completely accurate, and, as mentioned, will have different effects on everyone taking it.  May work in theory, but in reality??
 
Section attacks while having an erection?

Do I want to repeated throw my body into the ground for 100-200 meters
while on Viagra.

No!
 
Wow, :o

And to think all it took was a long ride in the back of a vehicle, or a long burst from the C6 to get things a going!

We used to call that convoy C**k....

Oh well guess this young genration needs all the help it can get!

dileas

tess
 
All through boot camp the big rumor was that everything was laced with "Salt Peter", but that it didn't work anyway. I can't think of an argument for using this on the San Diego coast, unless it's "let's pretend we're going into the mountains theme".

Interesting concept....highly unlikely the CF will endorse it, if only based on it's short term (relative time here) effect.
 
navymich said:
That has got to be one uncomfortable ride.

yeah thats what I was thinking!  :o

It kind of reminds me of that scene from full metal jacket though..."this is my rifle, this is my gun..."
 
navymich said:
That has got to be one uncomfortable ride.
Doesn't it already? Ohhhh, you mean if the women take the pill.....gotcha  ;)
Well now...tall in the saddle...I would say you wouldn't have too much of a choice on that one.

Well in theory Mich...but hey it isn't a sure fire performance enhancer now is it  ;D

HL
 
Trinity said:
Section attacks while having an erection?

Do I want to repeated throw my body into the ground for 100-200 meters
while on Viagra.

No!
Just the visual in my head is painful

:rofl:

HL
 
GAP said:
All through boot camp the big rumor was that everything was laced with "Salt Peter", but that it didn't work anyway. I can't think of an argument for using this on the San Diego coast, unless it's "let's pretend we're going into the mountains theme".

Interesting concept....highly unlikely the CF will endorse it, if only based on it's short term (relative time here) effect.
Well salt peter doesn't work...I think it just makes the people administering it feel better.

Viagra works in part as a vasodilator...this would pose a problem in the field and with many fit individuals with low blood pressure.  Opening the vessels more would quite possibly further decrease BP and perhaps cause a Vagal response...in otherwords you would pass out...so no it would not be beneficial if one had no previous experience with the mediation.

HL
 
Free condoms...Viagra...and then send people on "Operation Mountain Thrust".

::)

Soldiers on Viagra.  There should be some interesting pictures of the troops on patrol and whatnot overseas.

Ucomfortable on a bike?  Ok, well imagine how "uncomfortable" it would be at, say the MLBU (showers).

::)
 
Its not so much better soldiering thru chemistry as it is a prophylaxis (no joke) against more common illness and injuries certian soldiers are exposed to working in the more extreme conditions in Afghanistan and around the world.

High altitude injuries (HAP and HACE, Google if you more info) are a concern particularly amongst the soldier who do the OPs and operate at altitude. Think of how hard it is to hump a 80 lb ruck at 300-3000 ft like we do here....now try it at 10 000, going up the mountain.

And the pill only last for about 6 hrs, after which the effects wear off fairly quick (from what I read, NOT from personal experience).
 
Armymedic said:
Think of how hard it is to hump a 80 lb ruck at 300-3000 ft like we do here....now try it at 10 000, going up the mountain.
I have. Back when I still could, and thought that stuff was fun enough to do on my own time.
So what happens when the troop becomes reliant on said chemicals, then runs out?
 
now that is a good question. But if it is only used for the soldier who is disposed to HA illness (as in someone who suffered from it)....then once you fall ill, msn over, get lower. Not all would have to use it though.

I am not saying its the end all...but if it keeps you from getting sick and dying, then it is not all bad.

As per any drug, it should only be used by those who need it, not everyone, just cause.
 
so, you're thinking it's like Smarties. Medic, or even troop in question, has x number of happy-pills, to dish out as required for potential or actual altitude cas. Makes sense, but the way this stuff is being mis-treated already...I ain't feelin' warm an' fuzzy about it.

And for the folks makin' jokes about erections, I hardly see it as an issue. Fella is not feelin' too horny when he's humpin' mountains. Especially when he's humpin' mountains full of folks who want him dead.
 
paracowboy said:
And for the folks makin' jokes about erections, I hardly see it as an issue. Fella is not feelin' too horny when he's humpin' mountains. Especially when he's humpin' mountains full of folks who want him dead.

+1
 
Why not just take diamox(acetazolamide)?

http://www.traveldoctor.co.uk/altitude.htm
 
paracowboy said:
so, you're thinking it's like Smarties. Medic, or even troop in question, has x number of happy-pills, to dish out as required for potential or actual altitude cas. Makes sense, but the way this stuff is being mis-treated already...I ain't feelin' warm an' fuzzy about it.

And for the folks makin' jokes about erections, I hardly see it as an issue. Fella is not feelin' too horny when he's humpin' mountains. Especially when he's humpin' mountains full of folks who want him dead.
Well that's great...I appreciate where you are coming from...but I heard through the grape vine that some sailors down these parts are getting Viagra, when not required, to "try it out"...if that isn't a misuse of medication I don't know what is...that type of behavior opens this topic up to perhaps some of the humor expressed.

HL
 
Question for the medics.
What would this do to the bodies response to wounds?
I am guessing that this would make bleeding more difficult to control.

 
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