WANTED - OD Medic Brassard

[PViddy]

Hey all.

Looking for an old OD medic brassard (green brassard with white patch, with red cross sewn on).  I work with a Cadet unit and we have a rather large training exercise coming up involving multiple units.  I want the MedO to be identified.

Let me know if you can help.

cheers

PV

 

[geo]

Have you thought of asking your area support unit?

 

[PViddy]

Yes, thought of that.  extremely doubtful that they would give us such an item.  Besides i am looking for the brassard to be retained by my unit permanently.  Thanks for the thought.

cheers

PV

 

[geo]

Only other place to inquire would be the local Reserve or Reg Medical unit...

 

[Armymedic]

No. Wrong. Cease and dessist.

Wearing a red cross brassard indicates protection under the Geneva convention, NOT an indication of a medical representative. What your doing is using it inappropriately.

pm sent

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Additionally (as noted, the Red Cross is the international symbol for "don't shoot", not a medical symbol) I have a hard time figuring out how hard it would be to make a brassard yourself - green ones are available in the system.  Cut out some red felt (that prestiffened stuff at Walmart works great), but it into a square, rule off 9 identical squares within the square, cut out the cross, sew it onto some white cloth with a zigzag stitch.

Pretty simple.

 

[medicineman]

And if you really want to get into semantics, the Red Cross is in fact a registered trademark - those of us with GC protection are alllowed to wear it because the ICRC/CRC allow us to under the auspices of the GC.

MM

 

[chrisf]

If you're using a military Med O, shouldn't they have access to one of their own?

 

[Michael Dorosh]

And if you really want to get into semantics, the Red Cross is in fact a registered trademark - those of us with GC protection are alllowed to wear it because the ICRC/CRC allow us to under the auspices of the GC.

MM

I used my red cross sewing skillz as described above to make a brassard and put it on ebay - was promtply pulled along with a nastygram from the ICRC....

 

[Bart Nikodem]

You could try getting a British military one on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/BRITISH-ARMY-MEDICAL-CORPS-BADGE-on-BRASSARD_W0QQitemZ6606773517QQcategoryZ36078QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It's not OD and may take a while to get here, and like it's been mentioned, maybe you shouldn't use it but I thought I would interject my version of "helping"
All the best
Bart

 

[PViddy]

Gentlemen,

Thanks for all your replies.  Armymedic, Medman thank you for the heads up  That was somthing i had not thought of,  your expertise in the matter, as your names imply!  is appreciated.

It's really not a huge deal, I will find another way to solve this.  Thanks to all anyways.  See how great this site is!? we all learn from each other  ;D

cheers guys + gals

PV

 

[qjdb]

Would a Green cross on a different green be copyrighted?  I have seen that on some First Aid Kits on lightfighter.net.  The type of kits that the soldiers attach to their webbing, with the marking on it so that their comrades can find their first aid kit in a hurry.  For that matter, I have seen the red and white version as well.

The first aid kits that we carry around have the red cross on them.  Does that mean that we are breaking copyright rules when we carry them around?

For that matter, every first aid kit that I see for sale at Canadian Tire, WalMart, etc has a Red Cross on it as well.  Are all these people breaking a copyright?

This just seems to me like it is one of those things that has lost its copyrightedness, like kleenex and scotch-tape, and become part of the vernacular.

qjdb

 

[Armymedic]

The first aid kits that we carry around have the red cross on them.  Does that mean that we are breaking copyright rules when we carry them around?

Medical supplies are also included in the Geneva convention protocols. So the container is also "protected". If at time of war, you had said little box full of medical supplies with you, then the enemy, by the conventions, should allow you to keep it. Also the Red Cross allows items of mercy to carry the symbol. It is added recognition.

This is why civilian paramedics and tactical medics do not wear a red cross, but actually have those words on thier gear as identifiers. They have no Geneva convention protection.

How about a brassard with embroided "MO",  "Med O",  "Medic" on it, sort along the MP or CIMIC lines. There are no issues then and will still ID the individual?

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Would a Green cross on a different green be copyrighted?  I have seen that on some First Aid Kits on lightfighter.net.  The type of kits that the soldiers attach to their webbing, with the marking on it so that their comrades can find their first aid kit in a hurry.  For that matter, I have seen the red and white version as well.

The first aid kits that we carry around have the red cross on them.  Does that mean that we are breaking copyright rules when we carry them around?

For that matter, every first aid kit that I see for sale at Canadian Tire, WalMart, etc has a Red Cross on it as well.  Are all these people breaking a copyright?

This just seems to me like it is one of those things that has lost its copyrightedness, like kleenex and scotch-tape, and become part of the vernacular.

qjdb

First Aid kits at Canadian Tire cannot display the red cross - don't take our word for it, contact the Red Cross - I got a long list of information from one of their reps and I believe it is on their website.  The white and green cross is not protected - also note that some kits have a red star on it for recognition, that is ok too.  The use of a white cross on a red background is sometimes seen but the Red Cross literature I got suggests that that symbol may actually be protected as it is the national flag of Switzerland.

Check the Canadian Tire again - you may be surprised to see that the first aid kits there have red stars or green and white crosses instead of red crosses.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I was sure the first aid bag here in the office had a red cross on it,..but upon furthur review, its a red bag with a white cross. [ must give the impression of a "red cross" cause I was sure it was before this]

 

[Donut]

You could also contact a local EMS supply store, they'll probably have the hi-vis "hit me" vests with "Physician" or "Medical Director" on them,
or just one with a pocket you could put a placard in, we've got them for MCI and disasters, and boy would he be distinctive!

DF

 

[medicineman]

For that matter, every first aid kit that I see for sale at Canadian Tire, WalMart, etc has a Red Cross on it as well.  Are all these people breaking a copyright?

If those kits aren`t made and distributed by the Red Cross - yes in fact they are.

MM

 

[PViddy]

How about a brassard with embroided "MO",  "Med O",  "Medic" on it, sort along the MP or CIMIC lines. There are no issues then and will still ID the individual? 

a good idea.  Really it is just to show Cadet Jimmy that this is who you go to for med help. etc.  Ok, does anyone know where i can get those fire helmets with the flashing light mounted to the top ?  ;D do they have a medic version ? 

cheers

PV

 

[MPSHIELD]

So then all of these military First Aid bags, first aid kits that we see in vehicles in the CF ....then have obviously either been distributed by the Red Cross or have at least received permission to use the "Red Cross" by the Red Cross? I don't see any info on these kits indicating that the Red Cross has authorized these Olive drab canvass bag (field rescue bags) or Veh First Aide kits to have the Red Cross. Maybe I need to look harder.

I mean the GC and DND would never distribute something to the entire CF that is not authorized .....right?

On another note, I have see cadets with DND issued First Aid bags (issued by support units). Is this then allowed? Would the "Red Cross" on the bag slung over the cadets shoulder not mis-identify this cadet?

And to solve the issue of copyright on the brassard, why not just Embroider "F/A" or  "First Aid" on it unless First Aid is already copyrighted.

Just a thought

 

[Donut]

Here's the text of the Geneva Convention on this:  http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/q_genev1.htm


CHAPTER IV
PERSONNEL
Article 24
Medical personnel exclusively engaged in the search for, or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded or sick, or in the prevention of disease, staff exclusively engaged in the administration of medical units and establishments, as well as chaplains attached to the armed forces, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.

and

CHAPTER VII
THE DISTINCTIVE EMBLEM
...
Article 39
Under the direction of the competent military authority, the emblem shall be displayed on the flags, armlets and on all equipment employed in the Medical Service.


Hence the markings on the first aid kits, but the doc isn't really a protected person under article 24.

DF