Work Schedules

[R711]

Now I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask it in.
My reserve unit is demanding that I submit my work schedule, has anyone else here expreineced that one before. I thought this was or is a privacy issue. i do undrestand this maybe a bit of a hot topic as it is technicaly an order, but i do like to maintain a priveate life. As I do not base my life around the reserves (I do the same job in civilian life as I do in the reserves). Any insight to this question.
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[old medic]

It's odd, but I'm not so sure it's any sort of privacy issue. Just to bring it out for the discussion, are we talking
15 Fd Amb?
When you say schedule, do they mean "when do you plan to show up for training?", or do they want your
civilian employment schedule?

 

[R711]

my civilian employment schedule. The answer to which unit I have to remain a bit on the OPSEC side. But maybe LOL ;D

 

[Dirt Digger]

Does you unit have a problem with fair-weather soldiering?

 

[Deleted member 9665]

Perhaps it could be because his unit has not enough troops to fill out the demands they have and are trying to find a better way to optimise the ressources...

(Just a plain out of my twisted mind theory)

 

[MedCorps]

My reserve unit is demanding that I submit my work schedule, has anyone else here expreineced that one before. I thought this was or is a privacy issue. i do undrestand this maybe a bit of a hot topic as it is technicaly an order, but i do like to maintain a priveate life.

It seems odd, and I have never heard of that before.

Is it a legal order?  I would suspect so, I cannot think of any law asking for your work schedule would be violating.  Your private life is really not so private.  You can freely leave the organization if it is cramping your freedom of action.  Another option would be to refuse the order and see how you fair at trial.

Good luck. 


MC 

 

[R711]

A verbal warning is what I got for that " for disobiedence of a lawful command", even though I am being asked to "volunteer" it to them.
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[Donut]

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Can't say I'm actually surprised, though.

 

[old medic]

I find this thread rather interesting. Maybe we can guide this somewhere useful.
I'm curious about the exact nature of your problem. I've heard from a couple of members off this site recently,
mentioning problems that may be similar.  Is there a problem with some units and those members who
are working in the civilian field as well?

What is your own honest opinion of your unit attendance this year R711?  Without naming names, what do you
see as the problem? 

 

[Staff Weenie]

Odd to 'order' somebody to give their civilian work schedule....... I've asked troops before, to see whether there was a better time for a parade night, but never 'ordered' it........

 

[childs56]

As far as ordering you to bring in a copy of your work schedule, No they cannot order you to unless they have a reason to ask. Reasons which are justifyable, if you are under investigation for fraud, if you went awol from a training weekend after you had signed a pay sheet. Other then that they have a very limited grounds to ask about non military employment.  I would have to wonder why they asked you and in what context they asked you.
IF it were for a reason of lets say going NES then fair enough. I would let them know all my commitments for the next few months. This would be with out hassle.
But if they are trying to force you to parade or trying to enforce that you go on excercise when you have other commitments then I would explain in very clear and concise words. "The Reserves is a part time job which has benifits and responsibiltys that go far beyond the local training plan.  The meer fact that I am in is a sign that I want to make a commitment, if my commitment is only going to be once a month then that is all I can do.
Untill such time as we are called up to active service this is the best that I can commit."

If they have asked for this out of spite to try and force you out on ex's then I would talk to your COC about the implications of recorded warnings and charges for wrong full orders which have no direct relevance to your position at hand in the Reserves. And then ask to have it struck off your record.

If you are one of those Reservists who joined up for the benifits of schooling and look cool in a uniform so as to brag to your friends, then you need to re-look at why you are in and how you can better commit yourself to the service to Canada. That maybe a civie filling in one of those non military jobs.

I have seen it before where the COC has stepped out of their bounds in a personalle life of a Reservist with out knowning the full implications of it. Then only to have it come back and back fire on them.

If you have any more information but do not want to share it publicly send me an email I will try and find the answer out for you. 

 

[Staff Weenie]

CTD - I agree with most of what you say, in regard to units having limited to no rights to access information on a soldier's life outside the unit.

But - for a Med Tech these days, MCSP is everything. And, if you're only willing or able to committ one day per month for a long period of time, you're not going to finish your MCSP, and your skills will degrade.

For someone who can only offer limited parading at best for up to a year, I'd suggest ED&T, and redo MCSP the next year.

So many of our people have got to learn that, if they ever want to be taken seriously, then they must show up regularly, and ensure they are clinically competent.

 

[R711]

Well the funny thing is that this will be the second time that I will have qualified MCSP in the last two months. Plus, I teach Army medics at work some of thier clinical skills. So it is becoming a bit of a funny issue in regards to having to attend parades to learn things from people who don't actually do them on a regular basis, then go to work and do the same skills, you have done the night before and will contiunue to do the night after.

CTD I understand what you are saying in regards to this. But I can not go to work and quote an internet site to them. Plus I have already talked to the Ombudsman about this issue. There are alot of wierd things that have to happend first.

Staff Wennie- I understand why they are trying to enforce MCSP, but the way they treat people who have the scope of practice is a bit irritaing/insulting
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[Staff Weenie]

R711 - WRT MCSP - seen. It's always been a sore point for folks whose clinical skills are kept up in their daily civilian life. A wife of a good friend of mine was an Ex Reg 5A Med Tech out your way, and had similar treatment - left the Res when it got too stupid - a loss for us, but we never seem to learn.

Have you asked for a meeting with the CSM or RSM to solve the problem?

The only other thing I can think of, is that if they need you to be a Det or Sect Comd, and they are concerned about your availability.

That said, there's a better way to get info from somebody than the old 'it's an order, do it or else' way.....

 

[childs56]

Let me get this right. You have the Ombudsman looking into this matter.  Now you have an open forum on this matter.
You have now gone given up your rights to a fair and just dealing. If the Ombudsman is looking into the matter.

I would have suggested that you sit down with a copy of QR&O's vol 3 ( I thtink that is the correct vol) Discplinary procedures and read on what warnings are and what you can and cannot be charged for. I would then sit down after being very well versed with the QR&O's and talk to your Section Commander and explain the situation.
I would at that time also request to speak with my Platoon officer and inform him of the situation.
The Goal here is to have the Warning stuck off your record and to have the Unit lay off prying into your personalle life.

As for taking writing off the net and using it as fact  for your fight, no I dont recommend it.. But it can guide you in the right direction to resolve your situation.

Some people get over zelous in their command authority at times and the end result is inappropraite behaviour on their part.

Who gave you ther Warning, is a copy of it on your Pers File and or UER?
Did you sign it, If so did you get a copy of it.

Next I would like to know what else there maybe involved in this matter. I mean if it is at the Ombudsman office then there has to be more to it then just they asked you for your work schedule and you refused, then got a warning.

You may have brought up a very valid point that many reservists are having issue with, then again it may just be that you did mess up and now need to find a way put. 

I look forward to hearing from you on this subject.

 

[R711]

CTD no I do not have them looking at it I talked to them in a informal matter, No Complient was launched. I discussed with them the isssue of being asked if I had a legal right to not volunteer this info to them. They seemed to be saying the same thing or along the sme lines as you.

I think there might be a professional conflict between myself and my direct superior and they are getting a bit overzealous on their application of certain orders. As far as I know I did not make any mistakes etc... that I am awhere of but it is the Medical establishment I am talking about here so there maybe a percived insult etc.
Anyway I will be asking for a written order to this matter not a verbal. Also I wll talk to you off line to see what is an issue or what is one as I maybe making a mountain out of a mole hill
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