Boeing to offer P-8 as CP-140 Replacement

[Ping Monkey]

I'm not sure the Japanese are willing (or allowed) to export that.

Japan has been eagerly trying to find an export customer for P-1 for many years.

Exclusive: Japan seeks to sell sub-hunting jet to UK as Abe pushes arms exports

Japan is asking Britain to buy its P-1 submarine-hunting jet in a deal that could top $1 billion, a major step in Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push to arms exports after decades of self-imposed restrictions, people with knowledge of the proposal said.

www.reuters.com

I've been impressed by P-1 capabilities, but I think spares/parts availability would be a substantial issue for any international operator.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Wonder if Bombardier might try to revive Saab Swordfish (Global 6000 airframe):



Mark
Ottawa

 

[armrdsoul77]

De Havilland launches Dash 8 P-4 maritime patrol aircraft - Air Data News

Or roll on/off maritime patrol kit for a c130 too someone was looking at developing.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Japan has been eagerly trying to find an export customer for P-1 for many years.

Exclusive: Japan seeks to sell sub-hunting jet to UK as Abe pushes arms exports

Japan is asking Britain to buy its P-1 submarine-hunting jet in a deal that could top $1 billion, a major step in Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push to arms exports after decades of self-imposed restrictions, people with knowledge of the proposal said.

www.reuters.com

I've been impressed by P-1 capabilities, but I think spares/parts availability would be a substantial issue for any international operator.

This part here was interesting.

Jointly building a P-1 that taps into Britain’s experience building the Nimrod would allow London to retain rights over radar and sensing technology it would lose by buying a U.S. aircraft regulated by the Pentagon, one source said.

 

[Ping Monkey]

De Havilland launches Dash 8 P-4 maritime patrol aircraft - Air Data News

Or roll on/off maritime patrol kit for a c130 too someone was looking at developing.

"Sea-130" has been proposed many times. No biters yet.

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answe

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answer UK Future MPA Needs

www.navyrecognition.com

PARIS: Lockheed unveils maritime patrol kit for C-130 Hercules

Lockheed Martin is working on a maritime patrol aircraft retrofit kit for the C-130 Hercules.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Ping Monkey]

Some other interesting fielded (not paper) MPA options that have popped up just in the past 12 months:

First 'Sea Sultan' Maritime Patrol Aircraft Joins Pakistan Navy - Naval News

The Pakistan Navy inducted its first of three modern maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) dubbed locally as "Sea Sultan" and designated "Long Range Maritime Patrol jet".

www.navalnews.com

MQ-9B Sea Guardian showcases manned-unmanned naval teaming

The US Navy has showcased successful manned-unmanned teaming between an unmanned maritime surveillance aircraft system and other naval platforms.

www.naval-technology.com

 

[dimsum]

Wonder if Bombardier might try to revive Saab Swordfish (Global 6000 airframe):



Mark
Ottawa

We do not want another Cyclone.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I'm not sure the Japanese are willing (or allowed) to export that.

They seem to been having a change of heart on arms export, quite willing to market their subs. Selling to a "low risk" country like Canada, would be good for future arms sales and build a relationship to potentially sell us subs.

 

[dimsum]

They seem to been having a change of heart on arms export, quite willing to market their subs. Selling to a "low risk" country like Canada, would be good for future arms sales and build a relationship to potentially sell us subs.

Fair.

Still though, the benefits of working off a 737 platform (probably the most common civilian airliner out there) AND having the P-8 adopted by not only all of the other 5-eyes nations, but a bunch of other allied nations, is a big selling point.

Maybe pool logistics/parts/maintenance together or something with the other 5-eyes nations.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some other interesting fielded (not paper) MPA options that have popped up just in the past 12 months:

First 'Sea Sultan' Maritime Patrol Aircraft Joins Pakistan Navy - Naval News

The Pakistan Navy inducted its first of three modern maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) dubbed locally as "Sea Sultan" and designated "Long Range Maritime Patrol jet".

www.navalnews.com

MQ-9B Sea Guardian showcases manned-unmanned naval teaming

The US Navy has showcased successful manned-unmanned teaming between an unmanned maritime surveillance aircraft system and other naval platforms.

www.naval-technology.com

Viking enters Chat Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter

 

[dimsum]

Viking enters Chat Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter

I'm not sure what that aircraft's range/endurance would be with missiles, torpedoes, sonobuoys, and the tactical equipment for ASW and ASuW.

MPAs aren't just flying cameras and radars.

 

[dapaterson]

MPAs aren't just flying cameras and radars.

So, a Cessna with a GoPro is out? Even if we do final assembly in Chicoutimi?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So, a Cessna with a GoPro is out? Even if we do final assembly in Chicoutimi?

 

[Spencer100]

Ok my idea from years ago. When there was talk to save Bombardier. Develop the A200 as a MPA, using Lockheed Canada as prime.

Made in Quebec! System intergation in Ontario. Win win

Would the Cyclones systems be transferable, plus add others?

Lockheed needs a MPA product and they are buddies with Airbus right now. Developing a joint tanker LMXT for the next tanker order.

Aircraft

Discover Lockheed Martin's military aircraft leadership in combat, air mobility, and reconnaissance. Advanced technology for unmatched capabilities.

www.lockheedmartin.com

 

[dimsum]

Ok my idea from years ago. When there was talk to save Bombardier. Develop the A200 as a MPA, using Lockheed Canada as prime.

Made in Quebec! System intergation in Ontario. Win win

Would the Cyclones systems be transferable, plus add others?

Lockheed needs a MPA product and they are buddies with Airbus right now. Developing a joint tanker LMXT for the next tanker order.

Aircraft

Discover Lockheed Martin's military aircraft leadership in combat, air mobility, and reconnaissance. Advanced technology for unmatched capabilities.

www.lockheedmartin.com

Shudders in Cyclone

 

[dapaterson]

You're just worried that the RCAF will discover that ACSOs aren't necessary, and you'll have to make your own coffee.

 

[Good2Golf]

De Havilland launches Dash 8 P-4 maritime patrol aircraft - Air Data News

Or roll on/off maritime patrol kit for a c130 too someone was looking at developing.

Viking enters Chat Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter

OBE. Longview swung the Dash 8 family back to de Havilland, and as armrdsoul77 notes above, DH and PAL are the latest version of Q400/P4 to be considered for pitching to Canada for CMA. Longview may even throw a bone to QC by asking L3MAS to do some minor work, as L3(Harris) has to date, been the only company to actually make a high-end ISR Q400. de Havilland inherited the work with L3HARRIS from Bombardier.

 

[Spencer100]

View attachment 68619

OBE. Longview swung the Dash 8 family back to de Havilland, and as armrdsoul77 notes above, DH and PAL are the latest version of Q400/P4 to be considered for pitching to Canada for CMA. Longview may even throw a bone to QC by asking L3MAS to do some minor work, as L3(Harris) has to date, been the only company to actually make a high-end ISR Q400. de Havilland inherited the work with L3HARRIS from Bombardier.

This also fits the bill. Made in Canada. Plus I doubt it can carry a weapons load. So that's a bonus our government. Plus the accountants will love as no weapons no cost.

 

[dimsum]

This also fits the bill. Made in Canada. Plus I doubt it can carry a weapons load. So that's a bonus our government. Plus the accountants will love as no weapons no cost.

Not to bring "facts" into this, but here is the link for the RFI in Buy and Sell.

Carrying and launching weapons is part of the requirement.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Would the Cyclones systems be transferable, plus add others?

Transferable or not, they are not properly sorted out yet or the right gear for a MMA/LRPA. MDMS isn’t a capable or as smooth as DMS (Aurora), the sensors aren’t as capable as Block 3 or 4 Aurora…think about what year the MHWS components were procured; it wasn’t yesterday.

If we’re going to replace a fleet, replace it with something MORE capable than Block 3 is/Block 4 will be.

Take a look at the P-1 radar. That’s the type of replacement we should be looking to; modern sensors that can add to the network centric warfare model that are on a faster, more reliable vehicle.