Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[The Bread Guy]

Well, if we believe police (like all the times we hear about some people dying or getting injured with police involved elsewhere) ....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495041862259912712

I'm happy to stand corrected, but given the similarity of the name of the person who Indian media of some kind claims is dead to this whole fracas from the Capitol Hill riots (down to the hashtag) ...

Roberta Paulsen Death - Obituary - Cause of death! - Dailywebpoint

Roberta Paulsen Death: A lady shot during a livestream of uproars at the Capitol has been recognized as “Roberta Paulson.” During riots at the United …

www.dailywebpoint.com

... I'm going with the woman with the walker ain't dead until someone officially (not "Twitter says," like the whole "Morneau & the RCMP commish are related" thing went) says different. Reminder about "breaking news" attached

Also, Pat King facing some charges

Ottawa Police Service

www.ottawapolice.ca

 

[Remius]

If I didn’t know any better Roberta Paulsen is a boss level in most protests.

 

[Mick]

If I didn’t know any better Roberta Paulsen is a boss level in most protests.

Name possibly inspired by Meat Loaf's character in Fight Club...?

 

[dapaterson]

An individual who identifies as a lawyer in Ottawa is live tweeting Tamara Lich's bail hearing. It is interesting.

https://twitter.com/JamesDBowie/

 

[OldSolduer]

An individual who identifies as a lawyer in Ottawa is live tweeting Tamara Lich's bail hearing. It is interesting.

https://twitter.com/JamesDBowie/

Sex offenders get bail. Thieves get bail. This will be interesting

 

[dapaterson]

Sex offenders get bail. Thieves get bail. This will be interesting

The claims of the defendant and her proposed surety are... interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495067765455081474

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495076565113257991

 

[RangerRay]

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for protestors, left, right or whatever, who refuse to disperse after given ample warning to do so. From what I have seen, police been quite restrained. Anywhere else would have seen water cannons, tear gas and a phalanx of riot shields moving with speed.

 

[Remius]

Sex offenders get bail. Thieves get bail. This will be interesting

They also don’t get bail.

 

[Quirky]

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for protestors, left, right or whatever, who refuse to disperse after given ample warning to do so. From what I have seen, police been quite restrained. Anywhere else would have seen water cannons, tear gas and a phalanx of riot shields moving with speed.

Have water cannons ever been used in sub-zero temperatures? You don’t even need a lot of pressure, people would leave after hypothermia sets in.

 

[OldSolduer]

They also don’t get bail.

Correct as well

 

[dapaterson]

I am not a lawyer. That said, I'm thinking that quoting the US First Amendment in a bail hearing in Ottawa is probably not making you look like a viable option as a surety for your spouse.

I'm betting defence lawyers will be using this to teach clients what not to do for years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495084817486131209

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495086136288493577

 

[Brad Sallows]

Unfortunate things can happen, with or without emergency measures. Consequences can be disproportionate to force, merely by accident. I recall people getting similarly worked up over the old guy who was shoved, and then tripped and cracked his noggin in Buffalo a couple of years ago. Some chalked his injury up to misfortune out of proportion to a bit of his own jackassery; some were adamant that the police involved were reckless and inattentive.

 

[Kirkhill]

It is kind of neat watching the French and German police practice their crowd control skills, tear gas, water cannons, batons and all.

Of course they get a lot of practice. Fortunately our police don't have nearly as much experience. I hope it stays that way.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

We call those "unintended consequences"........like a weapon can be called less lethal, but it doesn't mean it wont kill you if "unintended consequences" happen.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Some chalked his injury up to misfortune out of proportion to a bit of his own jackassery; some were adamant that the police involved were reckless and inattentive.

Maybe not in the specific incident you cited, but I've also seen a variation of the yellow option in similar situations where someone's dinged in some way interacting with police: FAFO. I've also seen a variation of the red option: "cops suck - full stop."

Every viewer's read'll vary, obviously, depending on how they feel about police in general and the protest/incident in question.

 

[Brad Sallows]

like a weapon can be called less lethal, but it doesn't mean it wont kill you if "unintended consequences" happen.

Sometimes non-lethal measures aren't. The police are bound to occasionally roll a 20 and go to the critical injury table.

 

[MilEME09]

I am not a lawyer. That said, I'm thinking that quoting the US First Amendment in a bail hearing in Ottawa is probably not making you look like a viable option as a surety for your spouse.

I'm betting defence lawyers will be using this to teach clients what not to do for years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495084817486131209

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495086136288493577

Thats just painful to read

 

[PuckChaser]

We call those "unintended consequences"........like a weapon can be called less lethal, but it doesn't mean it wont kill you if "unintended consequences" happen.

That's BS, Bruce. There is a distinct difference between an aimed less-lethal round causing an injury than the almost certain hypothermia when you soak people with water cannons in the middle of winter in Canada.

 

[Furniture]

Sometimes non-lethal measures aren't. The police are bound to occasionally roll a 20 and go to the critical injury table.

I think it's a combination of the defender rolling a 1 on their dexterity save, and then the police rolling a natural 20.

 

[Kirkhill]

Just another thought -

ERROR: As far as I'm concerned the end game here is to develop the ability to break up crowds efficiently.

As far as I'm concerned the end game here is NOT, say again, NOT to develop the ability to break up crowds efficiently.

It certainly isn't to generate enough fear in that efficiency that people will never again gather in opposition to the forces of Peace, Order and Good Governance.

The end state is to generate a government that is sufficiently responsive to all the citizens it represents that none of the citizens feel the need to demonstrate in this, or like, manner.

It's not about putting the boot in. It's about getting people to let their yellow vests and black leotards remain in the closet and forgetting where they left them.