Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Any plans for casevac of half the jump company following the parachute insertion?

Just wondering

It was an idea lol. I'm not a jumper but I'm sure the terrain they would jump into would be taken into account.

 

[Navy_Pete]

With modern day cruise ships wanting to visit the North and some visiting already. If there was an accident, we are looking at hours, if not days to reach anyone because of weather and distance. Forget an armed invasion (that would never happen ;-) ) but a rescue mission. 1991 Boxtop flight rescue took 32 hours before a SAR Tech was dropped due to weather, 21 hours for a ground team team to reach them. Equipment had to come from Trenton, Edmonton, and Greenwood. Time and weather delays will kill people. Is it time they take the Arctic Regional ( makes up 1/3 of Canada ) they take it more serious or just keep it status as it is now, once a a year exercise and photo ops?

The lack of external rescue support is factored into the ships design though, so they are a fair bit more redundant compared to a normal cruise ship.

It's all driven by insurance, and being sued into oblivion by rich people drives a lot of additional equipment, and they actually have to get certified by class societies before sailing, and don't have the RCN option of a 'risk assessment'.

I still wouldn't go on a cruise personally for various other reason.

 

[childs56]

Any large disaster in the Artic would have to be a coordinated response from our International Partners. We do not have the capabilities with in our Forces to deploy and sustain a high casualty situation up North. If we did then we would be leaving response elsewhere with little to no ability.

One thing up North is the local people would respond with what they have. They may have more initial resources then the Government could supply.
I do not know if we have disaster response kits set up in the north, where in case of one the locals could access the gear to supply as required until relieved by the Military.

 

[kev994]

I wonder how long to request and deploy the LC130s from the NY ANG 109th Airlift Wing?

I have worked with them before in the Arctic and they are basically the only way we have to get large bulky and/or heavy stuff into austere areas via air quickly.

I worked with those PJs in my OUTCAN, the jumpers can be ready pretty quick and they’re happy to jump out of anything, I’ve dropped PJs from a Canadian C130. Getting a plane to go with you’re looking at 24-48 hrs minimum plus any diplo delays. I don’t think this is something JRCC normally deals with so there’s that too.

 

[kev994]

Note to self, stay off boats with thousands of people that traverse in Canadian northern waters. No one is coming to rescue you.

They’re coming, just with insufficient capacity to deal with the problem.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Cradle-to-grave security doesn't really produce a society of people prepared to survive on their own for a while in an emergency situation. And a country this sparsely populated has a lot of places like that.

 

[Fabius]

I worked with those PJs in my OUTCAN, the jumpers can be ready pretty quick and they’re happy to jump out of anything, I’ve dropped PJs from a Canadian C130. Getting a plane to go with you’re looking at 24-48 hrs minimum plus any diplo delays. I don’t think this is something JRCC normally deals with so there’s that too.

The nice thing is that their C130s are ski equipped so they can air land stuff directly once the initial jumpers have set up an austere strip and verified the snow/ice.

 

[Quirky]

They’re coming, just with insufficient capacity to deal with the problem.

Canada in a nutshell, we like to think our shit don’t stink.

 

[lenaitch]

Note to self, stay off boats with thousands of people that traverse in Canadian northern waters. No one is coming to rescue you.

I take a broader view. Not a fan of floating petri dishes.

 

[kev994]

For reference, a cruise ship ran aground in the Canadian Arctic in 2018 but managed to free itself. It apparently only had 162 POB.

Arctic Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Canada’s Northwest Passage

The Russian-flagged passenger ship Akademik Ioffe ran aground along Canada’s Arctic Northwest Passage with 162 people aboard early on Friday, August 24th.

www.highnorthnews.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

It was an idea lol. I'm not a jumper but I'm sure the terrain they would jump into would be taken into account.

Winds are usually the big injury maker, and the arctic has alot of that stuff!

 

[kev994]

Winds are usually the big injury maker, and the arctic has alot of that stuff!

The wind or the wind blowing you into obstacles? I’m not at all familiar with round chutes.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The wind or the wind blowing you into obstacles? I’m not at all familiar with round chutes.

Well, both.

Any wind over about 12-13 knts can be a disaster for 'dumb' canopy enabled troops as it tends to smash you into the ground and drag you a fair distance before you manage to get a capewell activated... if you're conscious

 

[kev994]

Well, both.

Any wind over about 12-13 knts can be a disaster for 'dumb' canopy enabled troops as it tends to smash you into the ground and drag you a fair distance before you manage to get a capewell activated... if you're conscious

Oh wow. Square chutes have ~20 kts forward sped so they tell me it’s harder with anything less than ~10.

 

[KevinB]

Oh wow. Square chutes have ~20 kts forward sped so they tell me it’s harder with anything less than ~10.

You can control those too. Not just ineffectual slipping with the CT-1 to try to make yourself feel better before to smack something.
Down here even the standard chutes are semi steerable (like the CT-2).

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Winds and the LZ surface. Nice soft fields or soft snow would be nicer to land in than something rough with hard pack snow ledges,
Ice and rocks etc.

I got 100% messed up on DZ Buxton (close to where CFB Edmonton is now) in early April; frozen ground, winds 10 IIRC, came in set for a left front and ended up doing a “heels ass” instead. Wasn’t much fun.

 

[KevinB]

Winds and the LZ surface. Nice soft fields or soft snow would be nicer to land in than something rough with hard pack snow ledges,
Ice and rocks etc.

I got 100% messed up on DZ Buxton (close to where CFB Edmonton is now) in early April; frozen ground, winds 10 IIRC, came in set for a left front and ended up doing a “heels ass” instead. Wasn’t much fun.

Heels --> Ass --> Head, the important three point of contact

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Heels --> Ass --> Head, the important three point of contact

Or the alternate: Toes—-Reserve—-face….

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Or the alternate: Toes—-Reserve—-face….

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why would anyone get in an airplane ? Why would any jump out of an airplane ?

Lol this thread is triggering me now