Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Booter]

Punishing someone for trying to keep Canadians safe even while on vacation, how terrible.

The only reference I have for this is a few years back a guy taking an RCMP firearm to attend NTOA courses without authorization. It was on vacation time. There was a conversation surrounding a code/charge.

Outside of that scenario is doesn’t really make sense unless they are hitting the range with someone somewhere else. And a memo could make that fine.

 

[Haggis]

Outside of that scenario is doesn’t really make sense unless they are hitting the range with someone somewhere else. And a memo could make that fine.

Memos are so last century. We have a form for that!

 

[Booter]

I am very last century at this point lol

 

[ff149]

For the McNeil report it’s not just police officers that have to submit them. I have to as well as a fire inspector for any cases that go to court as well as any bylaw officers in the city I work at. Job issues can also occur because of it as well.

 

[brihard]

For the McNeil report it’s not just police officers that have to submit them. I have to as well as a fire inspector for any cases that go to court as well as any bylaw officers in the city I work at. Job issues can also occur because of it as well.

No shit? Thanks, I didn’t know that. Bylaw I would have guessed as analogous. As a fire inspector are you a peace officer under your empowering legislation?

 

[Booter]

All the language surrounding McNeil and the decisions is very specific saying “police misconduct” and officers and civilians working for police services.

I’ve got no doubt that there are places that extend that beyond police misconduct by practice but the decisions are quite specific. It’s probably a prudent practice.

That said, the majority of Canada doesn’t have a system to actually track “serious misconduct” by bylaw officers and they are only bound by the behaviors of any city employee so I don’t know how they would wind up with a McNeil’able disclosure.

But it’s probably prudent to have all your peace officers disclosing it.

I could be wrong on some of that- my expertise isn’t in this stuff.

 

[Booter]

I’ll check myself- it appears the interpretation today is that it extends to all “third parties” that might have relevant information. So in theory any witness could be in this position- certainly any peace officer.

 

[Haggis]

I’ll check myself- it appears the interpretation today is that it extends to all “third parties” that might have relevant information. So in theory any witness could be in this position- certainly any peace officer.

Our members, who are federal peace officers - not police - are required to submit a McNeil as well.

 

[ff149]

No shit? Thanks, I didn’t know that. Bylaw I would have guessed as analogous. As a fire inspector are you a peace officer under your empowering legislation?

In Ontario under the Fire Protection and Prevention Act we are not considered peace officers, we are Assistants to the Fire Marshal. That being said we are considered Provincial Offenses Officers under the Provincial Offences Act.

 

[ff149]

We have to disclose numerous things. Including internal discipline rulings if it has lead to a suspension or if it is related to the case before the courts. Along with anything that we haven't received a pardon for. It is then up to the City prosecutors as to what to disclose to the defense. They could release everything or nothing depending on their interpretation. We also have an option of speaking to them prior to this decision. I'm not to sure on everything else as I haven't had to disclose anything. Currently we do a McNeil disclosure on every case, they are talking about do an annual one but don't know about this.

I do know that certain items can be game over for us as an inspector such as falsifying tax records or anything along that line as well as anything to do with items where your integrity could be called into question. This is in part due to the fact that we operate on our own with nothing other than our notes and possibly photos to back up what we state as issues. It's only been in the last 5 or so years that we've had to do this as the City wanted to get ahead of any legal challenges on a McNeil ruling for inspectors. So far I haven't heard of any inspectors in our department getting transferred or released for any McNeil issues.

 

[Booter]

We have to disclose numerous things. Including internal discipline rulings if it has lead to a suspension or if it is related to the case before the courts. Along with anything that we haven't received a pardon for. It is then up to the City prosecutors as to what to disclose to the defense. They could release everything or nothing depending on their interpretation. We also have an option of speaking to them prior to this decision. I'm not to sure on everything else as I haven't had to disclose anything. Currently we do a McNeil disclosure on every case, they are talking about do an annual one but don't know about this.

I do know that certain items can be game over for us as an inspector such as falsifying tax records or anything along that line as well as anything to do with items where your integrity could be called into question. This is in part due to the fact that we operate on our own with nothing other than our notes and possibly photos to back up what we state as issues. It's only been in the last 5 or so years that we've had to do this as the City wanted to get ahead of any legal challenges on a McNeil ruling for inspectors. So far I haven't heard of any inspectors in our department getting transferred or released for any McNeil issues.

Makes total sense. There are lots of places discussing a filed McNeil that you karate annually or update when something happens. This requires an organized crown….sooooooo I don’t see it happening.

I’ve been listening to that suggested course of action for years now.

 

[Booter]

Makes total sense. There are lots of places discussing a filed McNeil that you karate annually or update when something happens. This requires an organized crown….sooooooo I don’t see it happening.

I’ve been listening to that suggested course of action for years now.

File annually not karate annually. But I would support that too

 

[brihard]

Makes total sense. There are lots of places discussing a filed McNeil that you karate annually or update when something happens. This requires an organized crown….sooooooo I don’t see it happening.

I’ve been listening to that suggested course of action for years now.

I see no reason 90% of the McNeil disclosure process couldn't be automated through existing HR software.

 

[Remius]

File annually not karate annually. But I would support that too

Surprisingly I didn’t really question that…

 

[Jarnhamar]

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions​

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions

A reporter was arrested Monday while trying to ask questions of Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland in public.

torontosun.com

Looks like the cop steps in front of the reporter then starts crying about being assaulted. Even Elon Musk chimed in.

 

[brihard]

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions​

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions

A reporter was arrested Monday while trying to ask questions of Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland in public.

torontosun.com

Looks like the cop steps in front of the reporter then starts crying about being assaulted. Even Elon Musk chimed in.

I won’t offer any comment on the subsequent arrest part of it; that’s up to the arresting officer to articulate his grounds- but crowding a minister with a protective detail into a wall is definitely going to get you intervened with.

It’s interesting that Freeland has a protective detail now.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Arresting him for assaulting a police officer seems like a stretch. "You pushed into me".

Maybe David Menzies will get an apology and Tims card

 

[Navy_Pete]

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but seems like a general case of the 'Streisand effect'. The threats to charge her seem pretty spurious though, and again, seems like that port briefing of 'Don't go to x', which is of course the first place people look for.

Military police threaten to charge cheeky entrepreneur for selling sex to soldiers

https://www.westernstandard.news/author/shaunpolczer
Shaun Polczer

Published on:
09 Jan 2024, 3:35 pm


Prostitution is legal in Canada. Unless it’s being sold in a military uniform.
This, after Canadian Forces military police threatened to charge a Kingston-area sex worker who offers discounts to foot soldiers and senior platoon leaders.
Why?
Aside from this being a potential offence, it could lead to other more serious consequences and engaging in sexual exploitation clearly goes against our CAF Code of Ethics and Values“
Canadian Armed Forces
For “unlawful use of military uniforms” according to police documents obtained by PostMedia. That’s because Christina Lea Gilchrist — who has never been a service member — dresses up in a cammo skirt and faux military garb to advertise services which attract a fairly exclusive clientele and a 25% discount upon presentation of military ID.
“Upon review of your website, it was noticed that you were not only advertising your services wearing a military uniform which is a controlled piece of clothing, but also displaying other parties engaging in sexual acts while also in uniform,” they complained in a letter to Gilchrist sent on December 18.
They also went through the unusual step of warning soldiers at CFB Kingston to stay away from the 32-year old hooker or face unspecified consequences. Although selling sex is legal in this country, solicitation isn’t.
An internal memo stated: “The escort in question has photos posted on their website of (as of yet unidentified) clients in CAF uniforms in compromising positions. Aside from this being a potential offence, it could lead to other more serious consequences and engaging in sexual exploitation clearly goes against our CAF Code of Ethics and Values.”


For her part, Gilchrist told the Ottawa Citizen that business is booming, so to speak, after the ultimatum was made. Her website — which has since been taken down — received 10,000 hits within 72 hours after the memo was released.
“I’ve never walked around in public pretending to be a soldier,” she explained. “People in movies dressed up as soldiers aren’t impersonating soldiers, so why do they think that I am? “They gave me all this free publicity.”
In their memo, the MPs claimed Gilchrist had violated Section 286 of the Criminal Code against advertising for sexual services and 419(a) for unlawful use of military uniforms.
“Further, as our investigation continues, if it is discovered that you received your uniform from another Canadian Forces member, then an additional charge is present,” police added.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but seems like a general case of the 'Streisand effect'. The threats to charge her seem pretty spurious though, and again, seems like that port briefing of 'Don't go to x', which is of course the first place people look for.

Military police threaten to charge cheeky entrepreneur for selling sex to soldiers

Looks like she has a grenade pin attached to her jacket zipper.

“unlawful use of military uniforms”

Are they really considering that jacket and cadpat skirt a military uniform?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions​

Cops ripped for arresting reporter trying to ask Chrystia Freeland questions

A reporter was arrested Monday while trying to ask questions of Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland in public.

torontosun.com

Looks like the cop steps in front of the reporter then starts crying about being assaulted. Even Elon Musk chimed in.

Ugh... This is a no win.