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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
The civilian marine industry (in Canada at least) is struggling to hire sufficient ship's crews. One of the only ways they're staying afloat is that most offer a 1:1 time on/time off work cycle. Assuming that we're talking about bringing the CCG into the RCN model and using a common crewing pool, the resultant personnel crisis from CCG pers quitting would make the RCN's current personnel woes look like a walk in the park.
Everyone is currently struggling to hire sufficient staff. The CAF and all it's branches, even the CCG, are currently facing a really hard time hiring, and with that, retention issues that is not going in the best direction on the long run.
 
We aren’t the only country to that. We just caught up to the creative math some were already doing.
 
This was reported on years ago
France reports the entire Paris and Marseilles Fire Departments (about one infantry division worth of people) as part of its military. They even parade with the Army on Bastille Day.
 

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France reports the entire Paris and Marseilles Fire Departments (about one infantry division worth of people) as part of its military. They even parade with the Army on Bastille Day.
In fairness they are, legally speaking, part of the military. Much like their Gendarmie or the Italian Carbinari, you get a nice boost to defence GDP when half your nations police are military.
 
In fairness they are, legally speaking, part of the military. Much like their Gendarmie or the Italian Carbinari, you get a nice boost to defence GDP when half your nations police are military.
I believe the NATO requirement is along the lines of those police being a federal institution and trained/armed so to conduct section level operations. But even then the Gendarmie and Carbinari are very different organizations that include fully formed military units.
 
~ $1B budget cut each year for the next 3 years. If you thought VOR rates had been bad, just wait until parts are funded to less than 30% the requirement.
 
Well, NATO does have a “spend 2% GDP on your public broadcaster” pledge that Canada has not been living up to…
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I just thought they were investing in the disinformation portion of the CAF's InfoOps capability...
 
Hmmm. Isn’t the RCMP a Regiment?

The way I understand it, they were "accorded the status of a regiment of dragoons" in 1921 by KGV. They are not listed in the CAF Order of Precedence.

I never realised until now that the CCG was not a part of the CAF. Not because I never asked why or looked for it, but for me I thought the CCG was a different branch of the CAF. But yes, this would definately help the 2% objective plus it could be a lot more interesting to folks wanting to join, and a very valuable asset for patrolling the North sea.
I never said they were combat-ready and effective for mission as of yet. But with Canada's global defense current issue, it wouldn't hurt adding the CCG as an asset to the actual subject. I mean, it can't be that worse as it is.
Ummm, you do realize that the North Sea is in Europe.

Other than people in boats with binoculars, how would the Coast Guard, as currently constituted, contribute to national defence?
 
Just so you know their priorities, DND lost $1B and 10% of that is going to the CBC funding increase.
Why does this not surprise me.

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It seems that the LPC are spending more on the CAF after all ;)


Cost of Liberal government's defence plan has jumped by $50B, PBO says​

Projected cost of new equipment over 20-year period has risen to nearly $215 billion, assessment shows​


The cost of the Liberal government's nearly seven-year-old marquee defence plan has jumped by over $50 billion — mostly due to anticipated work on modernizing continental defence and delays in projects that should be underway — the federal budget watchdog said Wednesday.

The Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer released an update to its projections for the impact of Strong, Secure and Engaged, the 2017 defence policy document.

The new assessment shows the projected cost of purchasing new equipment under the plan over a 20-year period has increased to $214.8 billion, up from the PBO's previous assessment of $164 billion.

When the federal government initially laid out its plan, it did not include the projected cost of modernizing NORAD. In 2023, then-Defence Minister Anita Anand announced that Canada would invest over $38 billion in improving aerospace and maritime defence alongside the United States.

Those figures are now folded into the PBO's estimate, along with $12 billion attributed to the rising cost of new equipment — brought on in part by delays in acquiring new fighter jets, frigates and drones.

 
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