Our North - SSE Policy Update Megathread

[rmc_wannabe]

They didn't just kick the can down the road, they hoofed it into orbit.

I pray to God this Defence Policy is another nail in this unserious government's coffin.

 

[KevinB]

Weird, but apparently you’re getting E-7’s based on that article.

 

[PrairieFella]

A whole lot of nothing for the Army outside the arty too. Slim picking for another 10 years my ground pounding brethren. Maybe we'll get some love in the 20 years after this.

 

[dapaterson]

So $495M boost to national procurement this year ($293 for naval vessels, $202 for generic NP) is nothing?

 

[dapaterson]

Weird, but apparently you’re getting E-7’s based on that article.

The dollar amount suggests a contribution, not a capability.

 

[calculus]

From the Minister's message - still an acknowledgement of the 2% at least.

"This significant increase in defence spending reflects Canada’s commitment to reach defence expenditures of 2% of gross domestic product and invest 20% of our defence expenditures on equipment, as agreed by NATO members at the Vilnius Summit in 2023. The government is projecting our defence spending to GDP ratio to reach 1.76% in2029-30 and initiatives under this policy also puts Canada on track to exceed NATO’s target of 20%for major equipment expenditures as a proportion of defence funding. Consistent with our commitment, this policy also lays the foundations for future growth in the Canadian Armed Forces, including through a more regular and rapid cycle of further review and investment."

 

[KevinB]

The dollar amount suggests a contribution, not a capability.

A time share yeah I didn’t see the $ on my first read.

 

[PrairieFella]

Defence update so milquetoast it crashed the server haha.

 

[calculus]

A bit confusing. The money suggests, as KevinB indicated, a "timeshare" arrangement, but on page 26 of the document it says the following:

"To detect and manage airborne threats, we will acquire airborne early warning aircraft."

 

[PrairieFella]

A bit confusing. The money suggests, as KevinB indicated, a "timeshare" arrangement, but on page 26 of the document it says the following:

"To detect and manage airborne threats, we will acquire airborne early warning aircraft."

How many AWACS could 300 mil buy?

 

[MilEME09]

and even sadder, in annex A for funding, 5 year funding for housing, 7 million over 5 years and we wont even see the first million for three years, and....that can build a house

 

[rmc_wannabe]

This looks like they took the suggestions from Gen Eyre & Anita Ananand, crossed out reasonable contributions and timelines, and gave us this abortion of "we will investigate"s or trickle down funding that will achieve nothing...

 

[PrairieFella]

and even sadder, in annex A for funding, 5 year funding for housing, 7 million over 5 years and we wont even see the first million for three years, and....that can build a house

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This is so fucking pathetic. The government deserves the release crisis the military is in right now. The biggest concern expressed by troops across the country gets a million dollars next year. Sooooo helpful.

The policy is getting worse the more I read it.

 

[KevinB]

How many AWACS could 300 mil buy?

I guess that depends on one’s definition of what an AWACS is…

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I guess that depends on one’s definition of what an AWACS is…

Don't the 35s provide a lot of those C4ISR nodes when properly equipped?

 

[dapaterson]

I guess that depends on one’s definition of what an AWACS is…

Twin Otter with a spotter?

 

[DBNSG]

Weird, but apparently you’re getting E-7’s based on that article.

Not at 307 Million spread over 20 years.

 

[Navy_Pete]

So $495M boost to national procurement this year ($293 for naval vessels, $202 for generic NP) is nothing?

They say it's accrural accounting and added this at the bottom; in real terms our funding is cut this FY and big shortfall for ongoing NP requirements for ship maintenance.

Accrual Basis: the cost of acquiring an asset is spread over its useful life, rather than being recorded at the time the bills are paid. Operating funding for the asset is recorded in the year that the expenditure is made.

I'm not sure if for NP that means it's in year funding, but we've got a whole lot of very basic work as 'on levers' that isn't funded, including things like basic life safety equipment maintenance to keep it certified and working, and procurement of spares. As far as I'm aware, our request for a funding increase by 8 figures was turned down, and then received a cut to the actual budget on top of that.

If this means our O&M gets bumped back up to at least last years levels, that would be okay. But with the travel ceiling on top of that, even if we get the money there is a hard cap on the travel portion of things like FSR support, which impacts basic stuff like our fresh water production and sewage treatment, which don't have enough consistent work for the OEM to have an on site rep.

Will assume this is more 3 card monty until we find out we're not getting funded at 25% of our current demand and can buy replacement parts, as right now that's where we are sitting. Even if that changes now though by the time it rolls down to us it will be the fall, and it will be really hard to actually use it all because the processes take so long, and once we turn off work people do thigns like layoffs.

 

[Kirkhill]

I guess that depends on one’s definition of what an AWACS is…

A couple of SAAB Erieyes mounted on a Bombardier product.

Saab Announces Undisclosed Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C Buyer - Quwa

On 18 May 2020, Saab announced that it signed a SEK 1.553 billion ($160.5 million US) contract with an undisclosed buyer for its Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system.

quwa.org

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I am still reeling that there's not a cent committed for 2024-25 and the bulk coming post Election 2025....