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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

The Bread Guy said:
Probably several - and not just by Canada.

I’m happy to have been mistaken in my expectation of the sanction sword being fully or significantly unsheathed first.

Credit where due, decent recce by public statements from now-POTUS47 helped show the chinks in Canada’s armour in anticipation of CUSMA coming up for review next year.

It’ll be interesting, given the same dynamics should be in play under a differemt coach (likely for now on a different Jersey) to see how the tensions play out again. Will the next PM be able to truly pull every premier into the tent & make them all willing to contribute to the cause, as it were? Will they be able to override big oil, big dairy and big auto & tell all of them they’re all needed in the fight if necessary?

How about for the next fight that could affect all of Canada negatively?

Some’ll say we found out who’s anti-Canada while some others’ll say one of the rules of resisting being bullied of f*%£€<#%ed over — not to obey in advance — sure fell to the wayside here.

Time will tell …
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One more lesson on this one from the Inaugural speech I just had a chance to read (highlights mine) ....
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... is confirmation of the "why", or at least one of the why's important enough to put into an inaugural speech - and, in part, important to rename a mountain that's already been renamed. This should be considered when thinking about "if we do x, maybe the U.S. won't do y" on this file.
 
Tariffs do raise revenue, but in essentially the same way sales taxes do. There isn't really a way to tax foreigners to pay American bills, short of self-destructive undertakings like repudiating government debt held by foreigners.

Tariffs on Canadian products that are low in the value-added chain are going to be felt with particular intensity by Americans because of the tendency of enterprises to try to preserve profit margins as target percentages. An extra $20 on a barrel of crude is going to be more than $20 to the end consumers of the refined products.

Keep calm and hold fire until actual tariffs are imposed, and then wait some more to give Americans some time to buttonhole their federal political representatives.
 
Trade wars are counterproductive really bad ones degenerate into economic suicide pacts.
This one is being fueled in my opinion by three different but interconnected themes Politicians who need fuel their emotionally charged bases, Media trying to sell themselves to advertiser's. And in some cases are connected to the politicians and social media where any one with wifi can have an opinion and where reasonable thought appears to have died off.
 
QV said:
The net migration by province demonstrates that.
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Sure. What does that have to do with selling out to the US? Net migration existed before her.

If you mean becoming american
Selling out Canada


Then yes she is certainly in step with all of those things.
 
Remius said:
Sure. What does that have to do with selling out to the US? Net migration existed before her.

If you mean becoming american
Selling out Canada


Then yes she is certainly in step with all of those things.
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Do you disagree with what she says?
 
QV said:
Do you disagree with what she says?
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she says a lot of things. Her actions is what I disagree with. That and her separatist leanings. She’s talking out one side of her mouth.

But that video you posted seems to have aged badly in the last 30mins or so 😆
 
QV said:
Do you agree or no?
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With what? That she wants to see pipelines built across the country and drop barriers between provinces? Yes absolutely we should.

Her position that everyone is willing to sacrifice just Alberta? No.

Doesn’t mean selling out your country to do it. She could learn a lesson from Scott Moe, Doug Ford and ironically Premier Legault.
 
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If you're interested in the minutiae of such things, here's the trade order:
www.whitehouse.gov

America First Trade Policy

January 20, 2025 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE THE SECRETARY OF
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
Also attached if link doesn't work.

Key bits:
... (c) The United States Trade Representative, in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Commerce, and the Senior Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing, shall undertake a review of, and identify, any unfair trade practices by other countries and recommend appropriate actions to remedy such practices under applicable authorities, including, but not limited to, the Constitution of the United States; sections 71 through 75 of title 15, United States Code; sections 1337, 1338, 2252, 2253, and 2411 of title 19, United States Code; section 1701 of title 50, United States Code; and trade agreement implementing acts.

(d) The United States Trade Representative shall commence the public consultation process set out in section 4611(b) of title 19, United States Code, with respect to the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) in preparation for the July 2026 review of the USMCA. Additionally, the United States Trade Representative, in consultation with the heads of other relevant executive departments and agencies, shall assess the impact of the USMCA on American workers, farmers, ranchers, service providers, and other businesses and make recommendations regarding the United States’ participation in the agreement. The United States Trade Representative shall also report to appropriate congressional committees on the operation of the USMCA and related matters consistent with section 4611(b) of title 19, United States Code ...
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Attachments

The US is positioning itself to not have to rely on our oil.
 
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