CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Remius]

I don’t know.

Canada needs to focus on Canada, which includes addressing foreign adversarial action against its institutions.

Agreed. But remember when Harper was desperate to get oil to China? I can easily see a repeat of that sort of thing if in an extended trade war,

 

[Remius]

I agree with Brihard, here, that the Parliament will not be extended over this tariff strife.

Many reasons: First, The Emergencies Act and the authority in the constitution for extending Parliament are not related provisions of the law. There are national emergencies that do not fall into the categories of war, invasion (how is that different than war?) or insurrection, which are the only cases permitting the extension of a siting Parliament's term.

Second: One third + 1 of the members of Parliament need vote to refuse the extension for it to not, repeat, not happen. With a HoC of 338 and 120 conservatives right now, there is no way in hell an extension can be adopted by the Commons.

Same. It’s fear mongering and misinformation being spread.

 

[brihard]

I agree fully with you; I was suggesting that this could be a path that PM Carney could take.

The actual threat remains - China and its continued efforts to infiltrate and degrade Canadian institutions. I would like to believe that any responsible Canadian government would take definitive action, which to date, it hasn’t.

Dare I too dream and see Bill C-70 be re-activated and approved when Parliament resumes?

C-70 received royal assent in its entirety in June. You’re thinking of the foreign agent registry regulations which are still being drafted. Prorogue doesn’t impact that. The new criminal offences added to FISOIA as part of C-70 came into force in August.

 

[Good2Golf]

C-70 received royal assent in its entirety in June. You’re thinking of the foreign agent registry regulations which are still being drafted. Prorogue doesn’t impact that. The new criminal offences added to FISOIA as part of C-70 came into force in August.

Brihard, you’re right, mea culpa. That’s was a by memory pull, and mixed my foreign interference activities. I meant Bill S-237 FIRAA - Foreign Interference Registry and Accountability Act, vice Bill C-70 FITAA - Foreign Interference Transparency and Accountability Act (with its problematically vague definition of ‘foreign principal’).

S-237 (44-1) - LEGISinfo - Parliament of Canada

S-237 (44-1) - LEGISinfo - Parliament of Canada

www.parl.ca

…or whatever the Government intend to replace S-237 with if not intent on pursuing it.

 

[RangerRay]

His dislike of Trudeau is a personal thing. That’s not at play here, it’s his leadership, or lack thereof, as Canada’s leader.

Canada’s lack of definitive action to protect against Chinese (and a lesser degree India and Russia) adversarial attack on its institutions.

Trudeau should be held accountable for that lack of definitive protective actions, no?

I don’t know. I hear a lot of Trump-whisperers out there try to tell us what he’s really thinking, but I want to see actual evidence, not wish-casting.

 

[Good2Golf]

I don’t know. I hear a lot of Trump-whisperers out there try to tell us what he’s really thinking, but I want to see actual evidence, not wish-casting.

I guess we’ll see some of that tomorrow.

 

[Lumber]

And here we go!

25% across the board with the exception of 10% on energy.

For Mexico, it's a straight 25% across the board.

Starts Tuesday.

 

[OldSolduer]

And here we go!

25% across the board with the exception of 10% on energy.

For Mexico, it's a straight 25% across the board.

Starts Tuesday.

Everybody take a deep breath and let’s see where this takes us.

Any response from the GoC?

 

[Remius]

Everybody take a deep breath and let’s see where this takes us.

Any response from the GoC?

Announcement set for 18:00 EST today.

 

[Brad Sallows]

This isn't all Trudeau's fault. He just is a leader in the mob that sets the tone.

Better trade relationships with China will be awesome; China will become our friend and become more liberal with respect to human rights and international relations. We don't need to worry about developing infrastructure to export more of our extracted resources through Canadian ports to customers across our adjacent oceans. We can subsidize our way to a low-carbon energy base, even a net-zero one. We can overspend as long as one important number - debt as % of GDP - is stable or falling below some magic number threshold no-one can quite agree on. We care about Canadians, which is why we're going to let them bear the brunt of recession-militating counter-measures which seem to be the only kinds of steps we'll take to mitigate a tariff-induced recession.

That mob was so sure of themselves. From the lack of movement on internal trade liberalization and the insistence of sticking to the same solutions - don't liberalize restraints on business and trade to fight a recession, just provide more financial supports regardless how marginal the enterprises are - they still are sure of themselves. PS: talk about everything as "war" to incite bad tempers everywhere, which is always sure to bring people to reasonable solutions.

 

[RangerRay]

I guess we’ll see some of that tomorrow.

Don’t get me wrong. Our government needs to be held accountable for it wilful blindness and inaction on Beijing’s influence operations here. I just don’t see the linkages being made that you and others are making between these tariffs and our national security shortfalls. All anyone is talking about the border is for us to do the Americans’ job to keep drugs and undesirables out of their country, which is back asswards IMHO.

 

[dapaterson]

I don’t know.

Canada needs to focus on Canada, which includes addressing foreign adversarial action against its institutions.

So... What do we do about Postmedia then?

 

[Good2Golf]

So... What do we do about Postmedia then?

Enact the legislation to force it to identify interactions with registered foreign principals.

And others…you know, like Power Corp. et al…

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Well, anyone in need of a new car: If you had your mind set on a car built in North America (notice I didn't say a North-American car - most Japanese and some Korean cars are made here)(notice also I didn't say a car made in Canada, or in Mexico or in the USA, because none of those exist anymore - they move back and forth between those three country until the finish product comes out somewhere in one of the three countries), go and get one right now off the lot, because the next batch produced will be anywhere between 10 and 15 % more expensive.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

This isn't all Trudeau's fault. He just is a leader in the mob that sets the tone.

Better trade relationships with China will be awesome; China will become our friend and become more liberal with respect to human rights and international relations. We don't need to worry about developing infrastructure to export more of our extracted resources through Canadian ports to customers across our adjacent oceans. We can subsidize our way to a low-carbon energy base, even a net-zero one. We can overspend as long as one important number - debt as % of GDP - is stable or falling below some magic number threshold no-one can quite agree on. We care about Canadians, which is why we're going to let them bear the brunt of recession-militating counter-measures which seem to be the only kinds of steps we'll take to mitigate a tariff-induced recession.

That mob was so sure of themselves. From the lack of movement on internal trade liberalization and the insistence of sticking to the same solutions - don't liberalize restraints on business and trade to fight a recession, just provide more financial supports regardless how marginal the enterprises are - they still are sure of themselves. PS: talk about everything as "war" to incite bad tempers everywhere, which is always sure to bring people to reasonable solutions.

China only becomes your friend until they can rape you of your resources and dominate you. The host nation falls prey to the effects of Stockholm Syndrome. They don’t see any problem with China in charge of things. At least not until the next Chinese virus escapes their lab and they start welding you up inside your living cubicle.

 

[The Bread Guy]

For the record, a reminder of the last official word as of Friday, from US state media*


Meanwhile ....
Donald Trump’s tariffs on imports from Canada expected to begin on Tuesday (also archived here)

U.S. informs Canada tariffs will be imposed Tuesday

Across-the-board tariffs of 25% will be on most Canadian goods starting Tuesday, with 10% tariffs on energy, a source says

www.theglobeandmail.com

... and in other jurisdictions:

Snap election doesn't leave Ontario vulnerable amid tariff threat, Doug Ford insists

Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford insists Ontario is not vulnerable during a snap election campaign he called as a possible trade war with the United States looms.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

"Traders Load US-Bound Planes With Gold and Silver in Tariff Bet"

* - Yup, I do mean "state media": "VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress," complete with an editorial page "Reflecting the Views of the U.S. Government as Broadcast on Voice of America."

 

[brihard]

Brihard, you’re right, mea culpa. That’s was a by memory pull, and mixed my foreign interference activities. I meant Bill S-237 FIRAA - Foreign Interference Registry and Accountability Act, vice Bill C-70 FITAA - Foreign Interference Transparency and Accountability Act (with its problematically vague definition of ‘foreign principal’).

S-237 (44-1) - LEGISinfo - Parliament of Canada

S-237 (44-1) - LEGISinfo - Parliament of Canada

www.parl.ca

…or whatever the Government intend to replace S-237 with if not intent on pursuing it.

Looks like that never advanced past first reading in the senate. I’d need to actually look at it in detail, but if its intent was to create a foreign agents registry, C-70 has put the legislation in place for that among other provisions of the act. S-237 is made redundant.

 

[The Bread Guy]

My bingo card has: “Trump will keep beasting Canada until Trudeau and any subsequent Liberal PM is gone…”

We’ll see if I’m wrong…

One can hope, but we'll see.

 

[Remius]

My bingo card has: “Trump will keep beasting Canada until Trudeau and any subsequent Liberal PM is gone…”

We’ll see if I’m wrong…

That is an easy prediction though. Chances are when this gets resolved we will have had an election and a change of government. It won’t matter who is in power. Trudeau will be gone and the tea leaves point to a CPC win in the next election.

 

[FJAG]

Glass half full: As Canada's GDP drops the percentage of GDP spent on defence may rise to 2%. Assuming the dollar amounts spent on defence stay constant.

Glass half full again: Planning on buying a new car but it's built in Japan.

Glass half empty: Car dealership will raise the cost anyway because . . . they think I'll never know that they are robbing me. Think I'll write down all of today's list prices.