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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

No but they're saying their results are final. That still seems like a dumb call since they made a mistake and the election is a tie.
But Brad’s right. There’s no mechanism within Elections Canada’s reach to fix it.

I definitely am on side that the riding needs to be re-run. My preferred COA would be for the ostensible winner to announce her intent to step down as soon as she legally can, do so, and for a byelection to be declared. Frankly that would be the smart tactical decision; she’d get to take some credit for integrity.

Failing that I hope the courts rule that the results are in valid doubt and it must be a redo.
 
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He talked dollar for dollar tariffs to start and then readjust as appropriate. Proper economics is always reassessing and adjusting the next rational decision. Trump’s bizarre approach just makes the game theory harder.
you are too kind. He lied through his teeth to get elected. He did nothing to defend the auto trade when he met with Trump. His position was as firm as a marshmallow on just about every issue of note. And there will never be another pipeline in Canada until he is gone.
 
you are too kind. He lied through his teeth to get elected. He did nothing to defend the auto trade when he met with Trump. His position was as firm as a marshmallow on just about every issue of note. And there will never be another pipeline in Canada until he is gone.
Noted. Agree to disagree.
 
you are too kind. He lied through his teeth to get elected. He did nothing to defend the auto trade when he met with Trump. His position was as firm as a marshmallow on just about every issue of note. And there will never be another pipeline in Canada until he is gone.

I think we need more time to really draw a conclusion, but I fear my instincts are coming true that we just elected a continuation of the former LPC Gov.

But he still has lots of sea room to fix that course.
 
Is it me?

Or does anybody else get the feeling, Mark Carney is going to take a few cabinet ministers behind the shacks and "sort them out"?

Between Guilbeault "pipelines not really needed" (Speaking while its none of his concern anymore), Champagne "No budget...just a fall economic statement" (Carney a few days later promised a FALL budget), Melanie Joly making no sense in half of her comments and new guy Robertson making comments about not lower house prices. And Vegan Nate Erskine-Smith whining about losing cabinet position. Fraser as the AG but "needs more family time" (then fuck off and go home Fraser, quit already).

When I see Carney speak, I get the feeling he is on the verge of choking out some of his cabinet. I can tell Carney actually does plan, and thinks much more in depth than his predecessor (thats a given). Even if I don't agree with everything Carney says or does, my gut feeling is he will push for certain things to happen. I am still optimistic there will be movement on pipelines yet from him. I may be very wrong.

The albatross around his neck? I think he is going to have to purge some or most of his cabinet. He is a very different man than Trudeau (I hope anyways) and he may want to lose that bagagge sooner rather than later.

One thing I noticed, during the election campaign, he seemed genuinely pissed off about the Button gate scandal. I have heard rumours (thats all they are) is that he was hesitant to clamp down as hard as he wants to do because he is "the new guy" and needs time to cement himself in.

What are some thoughts on this cabinet from you guys?
 
Is it me?

Or does anybody else get the feeling, Mark Carney is going to take a few cabinet ministers behind the shacks and "sort them out"?

Between Guilbeault "pipelines not really needed" (Speaking while its none of his concern anymore), Champagne "No budget...just a fall economic statement" (Carney a few days later promised a FALL budget), Melanie Joly making no sense in half of her comments and new guy Robertson making comments about not lower house prices. And Vegan Nate Erskine-Smith whining about losing cabinet position. Fraser as the AG but "needs more family time" (then fuck off and go home Fraser, quit already).

When I see Carney speak, I get the feeling he is on the verge of choking out some of his cabinet. I can tell Carney actually does plan, and thinks much more in depth than his predecessor (thats a given). Even if I don't agree with everything Carney says or does, my gut feeling is he will push for certain things to happen. I am still optimistic there will be movement on pipelines yet from him. I may be very wrong.

The albatross around his neck? I think he is going to have to purge some or most of his cabinet. He is a very different man than Trudeau (I hope anyways) and he may want to lose that bagagge sooner rather than later.

One thing I noticed, during the election campaign, he seemed genuinely pissed off about the Button gate scandal. I have heard rumours (thats all they are) is that he was hesitant to clamp down as hard as he wants to do because he is "the new guy" and needs time to cement himself in.

What are some thoughts on this cabinet from you guys?
Guilbault needs to get sorted out right quick. I can appreciate PMMC wanting to retain cabinet experience, and that steering the party won’t be instantaneous. But if he’s to empower cabinet they have to respect intent and arcs. Maybe (probably) he did already read him the riot act.

Robertsons in an unenviable bind. They need to sell a viable hope for home ownership to to young adults, but they need to do it without boomers and Gen Xers fearing for their home equity. That probably means a modest price correction, expanding inventory of starter homes (and rentals!), but working hard to make financing purchases possible at prices and incomes both at least in the same ballpark park as now. Housing is an issue that’s super easy for the opposition and really hard for the party in power. A CPC government would have been in the same predicament.

I believe Carney will be refreshingly pragmatic compared to PMJT, and I believe he’ll be a rigorous thinker about problems. How that manifests remains to be seen. I’m looking forward to the throne speech though.
 
Ultimately the LPC for the last 12 years has been molded by Trudeau in favour of his aims and objectives. Despite Carney now being in charge the LPC MPs and personnel behind them are all still largely from the Trudeau era. That’s not a surprise and it’s unreasonable to expect much else, however Carney has likely until mid fall at the latest to make the party and MPs his.
I suspect that the party and MPs will be doing their best to make Carney theirs. These various comments and statements from cabinet could be seen as such.

Also remember that the LPC, its leadership, its MPs, its ministers and it’s staffers are tired. It hasn’t had a chance to rest and renew. Despite winning that hasn’t changed.

If Carney allows the party to make him theirs vs the party his it will be interesting to see how the Canadian electorate views that.
 
Im curious to see if Carney finds sneaky ways keep Parliament from sitting, or at least from any functional period of time.

Out of money? Parliament can't vote on more? There's a special trick for that.
 
Is it me?

Or does anybody else get the feeling, Mark Carney is going to take a few cabinet ministers behind the shacks and "sort them out"?
It's not just you. Part of me is surprised that Guilbeault hasn't been publicly slapped on the wrist, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt (for now, anyway) that maybe PMMC's Jenni-Byrne-clone has had a ... clear and frank chat with said SG. Some of the commentariat have said it might even be better to have someone OTHER than Carney go up one side and down the other because it shows SG ain't worth the Boss' time to kick his ass. Bad look seeing that go un-acted-on up to this point.

Ideally, SG would also walk his statement back publicly, but I haven't seen that yet. Even more sub-optimal look if PMMC really wants to pipeline up as he (sometimes) says he does.
... One thing I noticed, during the election campaign, he seemed genuinely pissed off about the Button gate scandal. I have heard rumours (thats all they are) is that he was hesitant to clamp down as hard as he wants to do because he is "the new guy" and needs time to cement himself in.
Not impossible, but as any Corporal or MCPL who's become a MCPL or Sergeant learns, you gotta show you're boss sometime before the troops take advantage.
 
It is a good thing if he wants to give his cabinet members and MPs more rein, but they have to realize that when they come out of the huddle, debate is over and the play has been set.

it might well be that the members of the former cabinet haven't really understood that there is a new boss and new direction. Hopefully they aren't being subtly supported or encouraged by backroom folks who liked the days of strong central political control. That would be a bad thing.

It's tough to be the new sheriff. Come down too hard too soon and the team pushes back, particularly the old guard. Best to give them some rope and see what they do with it.
 
Is it me?

Or does anybody else get the feeling, Mark Carney is going to take a few cabinet ministers behind the shacks and "sort them out"?

Between Guilbeault "pipelines not really needed" (Speaking while its none of his concern anymore), Champagne "No budget...just a fall economic statement" (Carney a few days later promised a FALL budget), Melanie Joly making no sense in half of her comments and new guy Robertson making comments about not lower house prices. And Vegan Nate Erskine-Smith whining about losing cabinet position. Fraser as the AG but "needs more family time" (then fuck off and go home Fraser, quit already).

When I see Carney speak, I get the feeling he is on the verge of choking out some of his cabinet. I can tell Carney actually does plan, and thinks much more in depth than his predecessor (thats a given). Even if I don't agree with everything Carney says or does, my gut feeling is he will push for certain things to happen. I am still optimistic there will be movement on pipelines yet from him. I may be very wrong.

The albatross around his neck? I think he is going to have to purge some or most of his cabinet. He is a very different man than Trudeau (I hope anyways) and he may want to lose that bagagge sooner rather than later.

One thing I noticed, during the election campaign, he seemed genuinely pissed off about the Button gate scandal. I have heard rumours (thats all they are) is that he was hesitant to clamp down as hard as he wants to do because he is "the new guy" and needs time to cement himself in.

What are some thoughts on this cabinet from you guys?

My guess is he did what he thought was the right thing, compromised competence for length of tenure, regionalism and loyalty in some cases, and will live to regret it...

The whole 'peak oil' thing has long been exposed as activist BS, for example.

NP View: Week one, and Mark Carney’s cabinet is even worse​

From an attorney general working from home, to a culture minister who can't let go of his old job, the Liberals are stumbling

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s cabinet hasn’t even been around a week, and it’s produced what should be a month’s worth of gaffes. It’s an omen so bad that even many Carney backers are slumping in disappointment, taken by surprise at how swiftly their hopes were dashed.

Carney’s cabinet was named Tuesday, and with that, the apprehension began. Key problem ministers of the Trudeau age were left in: Steven Guilbeault, former environment minister, was moved to culture; Chrystia Freeland, finance minister of ill repute, was moved to transport and internal trade; Mélanie Joly, former inconsequential foreign affairs minister, went to industry. Sean Fraser, who handled both housing and immigration with catastrophic results, is now in charge of justice.

In case there was any doubt as to their incompetence, they were quick to demonstrate why any skeptics’ misgivings were correctly placed. Guilbeault immediately took to dismissing the need for new pipelines, perpetuating the myth of peak oil and peddling the falsity that Canada’s newest pipeline was running at under half capacity (in fact, it was running at 77 per cent capacity).

Fraser, meanwhile, started off his tenure by telling media, heading into the new cabinet’s first meeting, that he intends to work more from home. In December, he had announced he planned not to run again to spend more time with his “amazing family,” and another candidate was lined up for his seat — only for him to un-resign three months later, after Carney’s ascent.

“Given the nature of the portfolio, a lot of the stakeholders we have are less interested in having you attend groundbreakings, the openings of new buildings that you may have funded, and are quite accustomed to having meetings virtually,” he told the scrum. “So I anticipate during constituency weeks, I’m going to be based in my hometown a little more than I was before.

“There may be an opportunity, depending on what’s going on in the House, to avail myself — not all the time, of course, but once in a while — of the virtual abilities to participate in the House of Commons proceedings, so we’re going to figure some of this out as we go.”

Crime is already worsening in Canada, and citizens increasingly feel unprotected by the system, which seems more interested in balancing racial scales and excusing any criminal that can spin a victimhood narrative. It’s a bad sign that the attorney general — one of the most critical roles in the federal cabinet — is already planning how to not fully devote himself to the job.

Joly and Freeland, at least, have managed to keep their first week relatively blemish-free. Their longtime colleague, Anita Anand, newly arrived at the foreign affairs post, was quick to use her new platform to blame Israel and put up a defence for Hamas, however.

As for the new ministers, they’ve provided Canadians even more reason for concern — Housing Minister Gregor Robertson being chief among them. The fact that Robertson was even named housing minister was an immediate red flag, given his record of overseeing Vancouver’s transformation as city mayor (a role he held from 2008 to 2018) from a family-friendly coastal city into Ground Zero of Canada’s drug and housing crises. Under his watch, detached home prices in his city doubled and rents skyrocketed. He denied responsibility for this at the time, even though he addressed development fees and zoning at a glacial pace.

 
My guess is he did what he thought was the right thing, compromised competence for length of tenure, regionalism and loyalty in some cases, and will live to regret it...

The whole 'peak oil' thing has long been exposed as activist BS, for example.

NP View: Week one, and Mark Carney’s cabinet is even worse​

From an attorney general working from home, to a culture minister who can't let go of his old job, the Liberals are stumbling

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s cabinet hasn’t even been around a week, and it’s produced what should be a month’s worth of gaffes. It’s an omen so bad that even many Carney backers are slumping in disappointment, taken by surprise at how swiftly their hopes were dashed.

Carney’s cabinet was named Tuesday, and with that, the apprehension began. Key problem ministers of the Trudeau age were left in: Steven Guilbeault, former environment minister, was moved to culture; Chrystia Freeland, finance minister of ill repute, was moved to transport and internal trade; Mélanie Joly, former inconsequential foreign affairs minister, went to industry. Sean Fraser, who handled both housing and immigration with catastrophic results, is now in charge of justice.

In case there was any doubt as to their incompetence, they were quick to demonstrate why any skeptics’ misgivings were correctly placed. Guilbeault immediately took to dismissing the need for new pipelines, perpetuating the myth of peak oil and peddling the falsity that Canada’s newest pipeline was running at under half capacity (in fact, it was running at 77 per cent capacity).

Fraser, meanwhile, started off his tenure by telling media, heading into the new cabinet’s first meeting, that he intends to work more from home. In December, he had announced he planned not to run again to spend more time with his “amazing family,” and another candidate was lined up for his seat — only for him to un-resign three months later, after Carney’s ascent.

“Given the nature of the portfolio, a lot of the stakeholders we have are less interested in having you attend groundbreakings, the openings of new buildings that you may have funded, and are quite accustomed to having meetings virtually,” he told the scrum. “So I anticipate during constituency weeks, I’m going to be based in my hometown a little more than I was before.

“There may be an opportunity, depending on what’s going on in the House, to avail myself — not all the time, of course, but once in a while — of the virtual abilities to participate in the House of Commons proceedings, so we’re going to figure some of this out as we go.”

Crime is already worsening in Canada, and citizens increasingly feel unprotected by the system, which seems more interested in balancing racial scales and excusing any criminal that can spin a victimhood narrative. It’s a bad sign that the attorney general — one of the most critical roles in the federal cabinet — is already planning how to not fully devote himself to the job.

Joly and Freeland, at least, have managed to keep their first week relatively blemish-free. Their longtime colleague, Anita Anand, newly arrived at the foreign affairs post, was quick to use her new platform to blame Israel and put up a defence for Hamas, however.

As for the new ministers, they’ve provided Canadians even more reason for concern — Housing Minister Gregor Robertson being chief among them. The fact that Robertson was even named housing minister was an immediate red flag, given his record of overseeing Vancouver’s transformation as city mayor (a role he held from 2008 to 2018) from a family-friendly coastal city into Ground Zero of Canada’s drug and housing crises. Under his watch, detached home prices in his city doubled and rents skyrocketed. He denied responsibility for this at the time, even though he addressed development fees and zoning at a glacial pace.


MC couldn’t pick better ministers. Canadians got the government they deserve.
 
He could pull a Thatcher and kick the old guard well promoting nobodies in the party to minister positions to ensure their loyalty. The question is will the Liberal base (not the swing voters) like that.
 
Only once more, I think.
It would have to be only once more or Carney would be seen as losing control of Cabinet.

This isn't the government you were looking for.

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A former colleague said we all a have a self-destruct button, and some people have the urge to push it just to see what happens.
 
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