Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[GR66]

Swedish MoD

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930580097431478439

Canada may want to think about that...

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U.S. GDLS XM30 Infantry Combat Vehicle nears Bradley replacement after critical design review success

U.S. GDLS XM30 Infantry Combat Vehicle nears Bradley replacement after critical design review success

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[Czech_pivo]

Related to that...

U.S. GDLS XM30 Infantry Combat Vehicle nears Bradley replacement after critical design review success

U.S. GDLS XM30 Infantry Combat Vehicle nears Bradley replacement after critical design review success

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Can we really have the CV90 and still keep the lights on over at GDLSC?

 

[Maxman1]

TC hated them and the ultra crappy MG that went into them. Plus if hit with APDS would shear off and take half the TC with it. The idea might not be bad, but that version not so much.

The gun was terrible by all accounts, not sure why they didn't go with a standard M2, or a 20mm.

It's a good concept, a modern version of the cupola might work.

 

[Kirkhill]

Can we really have the CV90 and still keep the lights on over at GDLSC?

Another programme out there is the Common Armoured Vehicle System (15 to 24 tonnes - amphibious to 21.5) which also include Finland and Sweden, as well as Latvia, Germany and Denmark.

Common Armoured Vehicle System (CAVS) programme | Patria

www.patriagroup.com

the programme's modular design allows the vehicle to be adapted for various missions, such as troop transport, medical evacuations, logistical support, reconnaissance, and combat operations. This flexibility ensures that the vehicle can meet the varied operational needs of the participating states.

2nd line vehicle.

Patria 6x6 | Patria

Patria 6x6 is modular and high-performance, robust and affordable to provide this tactical capability in larger fleet quantities.

www.patriagroup.com

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The 8x8 vehicle is the AMV (16 to 32 tonnes amphibious)

That group includes

Finland, Poland, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia (possibly), Japan and South Africa.




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Yes there is room for both CV90s AND more wheeled armour. Even in the Arctic.

 

[Kirkhill]

Last Patria offering of note (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, France, Spain and Greece)

FAMOUS ATV (11.5 to 15 tonnes amphibious)

FAMOUS programme | Patria

Patria – the industrial coordinator of the FAMOUS programme

www.patriagroup.com

An upgraded MTLB as an alternative to the Bv series of vehicles.

FAMOUS in Paris

With many Finnish troops relying on tracked carriers, the FDF has long acknowledged their limitations and identified the need for a replacement. Patria has now developed the FAMOUS ATV, offering im…

corporalfrisk.com

A tracked Second Line Vehicle.

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Finland - 5.6 million people. But highly motivated. Like the Swedes.

 

[KevinB]

Can we really have the CV90 and still keep the lights on over at GDLSC?

Well honestly with solely a binary choice I’d rather go for the XM-30 option to keep GDLSC-London open.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Why? Does your car typically fail due to mechanical or electronic faults? Does your household have a problem with the availability rate of smart phones or the home entertainment system?

Put all those home based systems in a RV or a boat and you will see how well they are made.

 

[Kirkhill]

Put all those home based systems in a RV or a boat and you will see how well they are made.

 

[lenaitch]

Put all those home based systems in a RV or a boat and you will see how well they are made.

Yup. There's a reason 'police package' cars are a thing and why the 'K-car' days of the 1980s didn't go so well; and why service duty laptops are all Toughbooks or another 'ruggedized' line.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Yup. There's a reason 'police package' cars are a thing and why the 'K-car' days of the 1980s didn't go so well; and why service duty laptops are all Toughbooks or another 'ruggedized' line.

I gave my Toughbook to our Department IT who promptly broke it......

 

[Rifleman62]

Which is fine, but an independent commander sight doesn't come close to the SA that one gets from having your head up in the commanders hatch, especially on the move. As you know, sights are used in conjunction with your eyes and to zoom, but scanning tends to be more effective with your eyes.

I have to ask: have you worked in a modern tank or are you making assumptions?
The Germans were very good a picking off heads sticking out of hatches.

 

[PrairieFella]

I have to ask: have you worked in a modern tank or are you making assumptions?
The Germans were very good a picking off heads sticking out of hatches.

My tank experience is extremely limited as a reservist but have plenty of experience in other AFVs in the CAF fleet, TLAV, TAPV, LAV, Bison, etc. Talk to any tanker and they're hatches up as much as possible. Hell, look at pictures of the GWOT and you'll find plenty of Abrams or Leo commanders hatches up outside the wire.

Edit: on the topic of the Germans picking off tank commanders, there's a really good book called Tank Action about a British troop leader during the Normandy campaign. Highly recommend it if you want a good impression of what it was like in tank combat during ww2

 

[KevinB]

My tank experience is extremely limited as a reservist but have plenty of experience in other AFVs in the CAF fleet, TLAV, TAPV, LAV, Bison, etc. Talk to any tanker and they're hatches up as much as possible. Hell, look at pictures of the GWOT and you'll find plenty of Abrams or Leo commanders hatches up outside the wire.

I’d suggest that was due to the very limited threat of indirect fire.

 

[Rifleman62]

...AFVs in the CAF fleet, TLAV, TAPV, LAV, Bison,...

Which of the above are AFV's?

 

[PrairieFella]

Which of the above are AFV's?

All of them by definition? Are you thinking IFV? Then it'd be the LAV.

 

[FJAG]

I’d suggest that was due to the very limited threat of indirect fire.

Splinters travel faster than one can duck.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I have to ask: have you worked in a modern tank or are you making assumptions?
The Germans were very good a picking off heads sticking out of hatches.

The US lost 1800 tank crew in the entire war. Funny enough most injuries to British tankers was head injuries, which the US did not suffer because they had a proper helmet and not a beret.

Have to admit I get a chuckle out of Ukrainian tankers wearing the Soviet tank crew helmet in Abrams and Leopards.

 

[PrairieFella]

The US lost 1800 tank crew in the entire war. Funny enough most injuries to British tankers was head injuries, which the US did not suffer because they had a proper helmet and not a beret.

Have to admit I get a chuckle out of Ukrainian tankers wearing the Soviet tank crew helmet in Abrams and Leopards.

The British tankers actually preferred using their helmets as decoys since the Brodie helmet wasn't a good AFV helmet. Most American tankers didn't wear the steel pot, they wore a leather Rawlings (the baseball glove company) crash helmet. Good for impact, but wouldnt do anything for spall or splinters. Those helmets in Canadian service is where the name zipperhead comes from as the stitching would leave marks. They were rarely worn by Canadian crews. I actually own one, they're super cool.

 

[suffolkowner]

Last Patria offering of note (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, France, Spain and Greece)

FAMOUS ATV (11.5 to 15 tonnes amphibious)

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FAMOUS programme | Patria

Patria – the industrial coordinator of the FAMOUS programme

www.patriagroup.com

An upgraded MTLB as an alternative to the Bv series of vehicles.

FAMOUS in Paris

With many Finnish troops relying on tracked carriers, the FDF has long acknowledged their limitations and identified the need for a replacement. Patria has now developed the FAMOUS ATV, offering im…

corporalfrisk.com

A tracked Second Line Vehicle.

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Finland - 5.6 million people. But highly motivated. Like the Swedes.

for a tracked second line vehicle how about

ACSV G5: FFG Flensburger Fahrzeugbau GmbH

www.ffg-flensburg.de

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The British tankers actually preferred using their helmets as decoys since the Brodie helmet wasn't a good AFV helmet. Most American tankers didn't wear the steel pot, they wore a leather Rawlings (the baseball glove company) crash helmet. Good for impact, but wouldnt do anything for spall or splinters. Those helmets in Canadian service is where the name zipperhead comes from as the stitching would leave marks. They were rarely worn by Canadian crews. I actually own one, they're super cool.

That was the "helmet" I was referring to, the Chieftain did a excellent bit on tank crew fatalities and injuries in the US army in WWII.