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Public service employment has grown by 31 per cent

Our funding was a mixed formula. Fifty percent came from the municipal tax base and fifty percent from the provincial government.

The province only funded the census population. Not the business day / visitor population. As a result, there were always more people requiring service than the system was funded for.

Taxpayers got what they paid for. They could go cheap, depending how long they were willing to wait, or ante up for a decent Response Time.

The 50 - 50 provincial / municipal funding formula is something Ontario residents may wish to take into consideration regarding Response Times.
 

Some hard decisions will need to be made.
I have come to believe that the PS ia the single largest sea anchor for our economy...and our country. Bring it on...if they dare
 

Some hard decisions will be made.
Modernization is happening whether we like it or not. Hopefully most the redundancies can be made by people retiring.

My current workforce is going to decrease from 3k direct jobs to 2k in the next 5 years. This is from a peak of 12k direct jobs in 1990.
 
Modernization is happening whether we like it or not. Hopefully most the redundancies can be made by people retiring.

My current workforce is going to decrease from 3k direct jobs to 2k in the next 5 years. This is from a peak of 12k direct jobs in 1990.
perhaps some will take a lateral into the CAF
 
Modernization is happening whether we like it or not. Hopefully most the redundancies can be made by people retiring.

My current workforce is going to decrease from 3k direct jobs to 2k in the next 5 years. This is from a peak of 12k direct jobs in 1990.
I wish we would make use of existing natural intelligence before relying on artificial intelligence or external consultants; internally we already know a lot but frequently doesn't get listened to unless you have a fancy letterhead.

A lot of the increased LOE required on things like procurement have to do with process, so unless they slash the processes not growing the defence and procurement related departments caps our ability to do things, as it now takes more people to do the same objectives, because there is more processes. We have a lot of SMEs that spend a portion of their time on SME stuff, and a lot of time on process stuff to support that SME activity.

Also things like travel have increased by an order of magnitude in both the LOE and time required; previously we would get email approval for a travel requirement, then put in a travel request to the system (claimsX) where you would get the actual specific travel costs and trip timing approved by whoever had the budget authority.

Now you need to get approval for the concept of the travel, with a ROM budget, approved at a fairly crazy level (in our case DG, or ADM, sometimes DM), then you need to get the travel itinerary approved (ITA), and then you finally put in your travel request to the system (still claimsX) for the travel costs and itinerary.

Adds weeks/months to the approval process, for what seems to be a globe and mail check, for even routine travel, and adds a lot of increased costs, delays, LOE and stress for what is usually no brainer travel requests. I recently got asked by another section to go to a conference in the US, on a very specific niche topic, specific to a number of upcoming infra projects, and with two months lead time didn't get the itinerary approved (which lets you book an airline ticket) until the Friday before a Sunday departure.

At the moment that's all required by TBS, but a pretty obvious example of bureaucratic bloat that takes LOE and increases direct costs to do things that adds no value. But if you don't do it, can make major mistakes that cost a fortune to fix later, so really penny wise, pound foolish.
 
I think it was around when they started DRAP 2.0 by attrition, which was awesome when they didn't backfill 1 of 1 technical SME positions where I was working at the time.

Harper also brought in the Defence Procurement Secretariat, which also added a lot of formal and informal decision gates and opportunities for 'no' in the process to procurements. The ceiling for a lot of that stuff is laughably low, especially when they want us to do 'through life' procurements that bundle buying stuff with maintenance contracts. Buying a large number of widgets, and having to theoretically cost 10-15 years of service and support for it can very easily put some basic equipment required to meet life safety laws for things we do into that bracket, and those values have never really been bumped up in the 10-15ish years since it was implemented.

So frustrating because it's so obviously stupid and wasteful.
 

Some hard decisions will be made.
The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives has always opposed cutting government jobs.
 
The headline on this thread says the Public Service grew by 31 % as of April 2023 under Trudeau
This new article claims there will be a 24% reduction in the Public Service.

2015: PS=100
2023: PS=131
2025: PS=131x (1-0.24)=100

All those recent hires will be released and we will be back to the level of service available in the Harper years.

Meanwhile.

New jobs at DND/PSPC-PWGS/IND/Res.

....

The merry go round never stops.
 
The headline on this thread says the Public Service grew by 31 % as of April 2023 under Trudeau
This new article claims there will be a 24% reduction in the Public Service.
The article doesn’t claim that there will be a reduction. Only that to meet various promises it will require that sort of cut.
2015: PS=100
2023: PS=131
2025: PS=131x (1-0.24)=100
Don’t forget the recent contraction this year.
All those recent hires will be released and we will be back to the level of service available in the Harper years.

Meanwhile.

New jobs at DND/PSPC-PWGS/IND/Res.

....

The merry go round never stops.
It does not. But a lot of people might be more than happy to take early retirement.
 
The article doesn’t claim that there will be a reduction. Only that to meet various promises it will require that sort of cut.

Don’t forget the recent contraction this year.

It does not. But a lot of people might be more than happy to take early retirement.

If I did know about a contraction it escapes me now. How much did the PS shrink this year?
 
Massive public sector and yet... ;)

Only 55% of high-volume Canadian government services meet standards, official figures reveal​


 
The TD rules were brought in under Harper. It's easier to impose punitive rules than it is to actually punish malfeasance, so the default is additional unnecessary bureaucracy rather than firing folks who abuse travel.
That method of management is not limited to the federal government.


Massive public sector and yet... ;)

Only 55% of high-volume Canadian government services meet standards, official figures reveal​



That headline reminds me of an incident at Queen's Park (Ontario legislature and block of government offices) in Toronto several years ago. I can't remember if it was a strike, bomb scare or what, but there was a lot of government employees out on the street.

Some video reporter asked of a participant "how many people work in these building", to which the immediate reply, with a straight face was 'about half'.
 
Hey, didn’t the Ottawa area ridings vote heavily Liberal this spring, because “The Conservatives are going to LAY OFF THE ENTIRE PUBLIC SERVICE!!”.

Funny how this is working out…..
Not quite.

Everyone knew that cuts were coming. LPC or CPC. It is about who can be trusted to manage it better.
 
Not quite.

Everyone knew that cuts were coming. LPC or CPC. It is about who can be trusted to manage it better.
Oh, please.

I remember reading interviews in April with public servants who were certain the gravy train would never end under the LPC and voted accordingly.

I am not saying that you didn’t see it coming, but I feel like others only wanted to see what they wanted to see.
 
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