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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

A simple way to lead by example for protecting reservist jobs and making it attractive to serve, the feds could come up with some mechanism of not requiring federal employees to burn annual leave to serve, and if they really wanted to get me excited find some way that my day job keeps paying me instead of the Army so I don't lose significant amounts of money (and/or leave) to train as a reservist.

This would obviously have to be accompanied by similar requirements for private employers, and probably some sort of reimbursement program for missed hours or replacement workers as employees took advantage of this to train and deploy.

A guy can dream I guess.
Fine I suppose for federal works and undertakings, but the federal government cannot legislate terms of employment services for industries that are not federal. Each province would need pretty much the exact same employment standards act provisions, and that is highly unlikely to happen.
 
What are you going to do with the extra reservists? I kind of think individual augmentation will take care of itself. At least for people with basic skills.
You are going to need to get some (a lot) through the leadership stream to keep going to get to 100K.

You need to get them to OFP, gateway courses to PLQ/ISCC, drivers, CWO, etc etc etc.
I kind of think individual augmentation will take care of itself. At least for people with basic skills.

Not really. Those people that are free to do augmentation are typically the guys and girls you rely to support the training courses you run.
 
Not really. Those people that are free to do augmentation are typically the guys and girls you rely to support the training courses you run.
This is a key point that I think gets overlooked sometimes. Every time the CAF pulls Res F members into augmentation, they are removing someone who would otherwise likely be a trainer or going on course to become a trainer.
 
A simple way to lead by example for protecting reservist jobs and making it attractive to serve, the feds could come up with some mechanism of not requiring federal employees to burn annual leave to serve, and if they really wanted to get me excited find some way that my day job keeps paying me instead of the Army so I don't lose significant amounts of money (and/or leave) to train as a reservist.

This would obviously have to be accompanied by similar requirements for private employers, and probably some sort of reimbursement program for missed hours or replacement workers as employees took advantage of this to train and deploy.

A guy can dream I guess.

FWIW, I know of employers who won't hire reservists because they get more 'time off' than their other employees and it's not seen as fair, no matter how much money you give them in return.
 
Perfect, expand it. Then stop making me piss away an entire year's worth of leave just to take a career course.
Basically you want paid time off then? Because the CFLC has already worked hard and harmonized almost all the provincial leave policies across the country to include time off for courses, training and operations.
 
Basically you want paid time off then? Because the CFLC has already worked hard and harmonized almost all the provincial leave policies across the country to include time off for courses, training and operations.
I would like a deal similar to what my colleagues with Vancouver Police have, the city continues to pay them and they relinquish their Army pay to the city.

Not looking to double dip on pay, but seeming as both my jobs pull from the same purse at the end of the day, I can't see why there couldn't be a provision for paid leave for military service without army pay, as long as operational requirements on the RCMP side allow it.
 
This is all part of a mobilization plan, so unrealistic is looking more and more realistic. The 100k PRes isn't to meet the Latvia mission, its to replace casualties in Latvia when we are fighting Russians. There is a massive sea change in thinking that has happend both in the government and particularly within the military. We're getting ready to fight a real near peer shooting war within the next 5 years. Maybe in three different places. North America, South China Sea and Europe. Which means we are going to need these folks.

Given that thinking a Reg F of 120k, PRes of 100k and MRes of 300k is half a million troops for all elements makes complete sense.
Our current way of thinking about the reserves is augmentation which relies on having units with equipment to step into. To a large extent those do not even exist based on their VOR rates. A RegF of 120,000 and an PRes of 100,000 would be the equivalent of two air and around 8 army divisions. They couldn't make that work after WW2 with all the equipment was still mostly there (and no where near as sophisticated as what is needed now. I won't get excited about the manpower figures until someone lays out what the equipping plan is.

Sup Res to be part of the MRes would be my take. Pre ID'd trades that match, previous experience, already DAG'd. They get called, show up, get issued kit, sent to unit. Get your refresher training there or with the PRes units in Wave 2.
It's easy to make categories (see below), but it's vital that there be multiple categories. It's one thing to call back a fully trained someone within three years; its another to call back someone ten years out; and quite another to take a pure civilian off the street regardless of their civilian skill levels. Those difference need to be catered to differently during peacetime and at the opening of hostilities.

You were proposing changes and opening the NDA to make them happen. Why would you keep a broken part of the current system and constrain your proposals to that when solving that existing problem solves the limitations of your proposal?
There is no need to change the NDA for this. The NDA only provides for two components: a RegF and a ResF. Sub components (like the four ResF ones) can be done by regulations issued by the MND. There are a few small issues in the NDA that need changing - s60(1)(c) (disciplinary jurisdiction over the ResF) needs stiffening and several offences under Part VII (Offences triable by civilian court) need to be moved to the CSD.

Are you sure about that?
Yup. Pretty much.

Seems right. Eventually. But lets get people in the door first. And help them get themselves sorted out into the trades that are their best fit. Maybe some will be happy on the books as a 5 day a year reserve rifleman. Maybe you will find a bunch of electronics techs and programmers will be in the intake and are easy fits.
Before we get people in the door, we need to build the doors, then the rooms behind the doors and so on. The CAF tried to build a national data base of civilian skills held by our existing PRes folks. How'd that work out @dapaterson? My guess is it doesn't exist.

Sure why not change it all, but Changing the NDA is one thing, mind sets will need to change as well, if the reserves were increased to 100k, that would represent a 200% increase in the res force. Making self sustainment possible. As essentially you would turn every res unit into a full strength regiment/battalion. Not to mention a substantial increase in the navres and airres.
By my count we have around 117 battalions/regiments in the ARes. Give them a conservative 500 folks each would equal 58,500. If we up the infantry battalions to 700 then we get close to 70,000 folks. We can barely recruit and administer the 16-18000 that parade on a Tuesday night now. Someone in the RCAF and the RCN tell me what each of your services would do with an additional untrained 10,000 folks.

Well for starters we need to make it take less the 8 months to get in. People will move on unless really dedicated. If we want to rapidly expand we gotta get this process down to 30 to 60 days.
Honestly, you need to qualify a Med Tech or nurse and have her there every Tuesday afternoon. The numbers we're talking about need to be processed that same day and handed over to a MCpl for kit issue and a few hours of drill before he gets home. The type of processing that the CAF has been doing will simply not work for the volume we're dreaming about here. All of that presupposes that the kit will be there. I highly doubt that and this generation won't drill with broomsticks and cardboard tanks.

Fine I suppose for federal works and undertakings, but the federal government cannot legislate terms of employment services for industries that are not federal. Each province would need pretty much the exact same employment standards act provisions, and that is highly unlikely to happen.
I actually think that the Fed Govt should be bolder in how it uses s91 of the Constitution Act which gives it power over "7. Militia, Military and Naval Service and Defence." Residual powers not enumerated to the provinces also fall to the Feds. IMHO, properly framed federal legislation could be made which would provide job protection, military training leave requirements, and even more subtle provisions (such as civilian pension protection) in a variety of ways. Some skilled draftsmanship, a DOJ cell to mediate and prosecute defaulting employers, and so on are all that is needed. The key point is to focus on the individual's military service, the country's need for an effective military and the responsibility of all citizens regardless of their location having to facilitate that. Carrots and sticks. In the US, the several states have stronger constitutional powers that the federal government but reserve service receives federal protection under Ch 42 of U.S.C. Title 38 "Employment and Reemployment Rights of Members of the Uniformed Services." It's not the be-all either but its a good starting point for a Canadian federal system.

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The Reg F has demonstrated repeatedly that it is manifestly incapable of managing itself.
I reluctantly agree. We've had individuals who've done yeoman service in helping out other departments with organizational efforts in emergencies but the CAF's basic administrative system is constipated and has shown itself repeatedly for many decades as being unable to fix its own fundamental issues. Money is the usual reason for that but I'm convinced that its not money but attitude that is the issue. DND and the CAF are incapable of thinking big or far. They live in the moment and think in tiny increments.

The ResF leadership needed on the armouries floor is, as you point out, drawn away to full-time call outs and the RegF is incapable of supplying enough of its own people to recruit or train itself much less provide the full-time leadership, administrators, trainers and equipment that the ResF needs.

I keep thinking of my time with the Italians in the Alps with their mule equipped artillery batteries and the hard lesson that to create such a battery from scratch started with getting a donkey and a horse together in a field, waiting through a one year gestation period and then another three - four years for it to become grown enough to carry a load and then another nine months to train it. And you need to know how many gun batteries you need to equip so that you can figure out how many donkeys and horses you need.

At this point we have the donkeys :giggle: but have zero idea as to how many horses we need so that we can start.

As long as the word coming out of the CAF is we're going to grow the reserves to 100,000 I'll know they aren't serious. That's not mobilization planning. When they say we'll build a dozen equipment and munitions factories, three armoured and three light divisions, 12 submarines, 30 armed patrol vessels, and another hundred aircraft, or something of that nature, then I'll start to pay attention.

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I would like a deal similar to what my colleagues with Vancouver Police have, the city continues to pay them and they relinquish their Army pay to the city.

Our Military Leave Service Policy:

Salary & Benefits​

Employees are paid their regular pay provided they submit any compensation received for military service to the city treasurer, unless this compensation is paid for days they are not scheduled to work.

Compensation received for travelling expenses and meal allowance does not have to be returned to the city.

All benefits continue during the leave.

An employee’s service is not affected by the leave. An employee’s vacation entitlement, and pension credit do not change.

The nice thing about the highlighted part is because we worked twenty 12-hour shifts every six weeks, you were not required to "submit any compensation received for military service to the city treasurer."

But, that was only for:

Employees can take a leave of absence with pay, for the two week period of absence, to attend the Canadian Armed Forces Reserve Training Program.

For any other military Leave of Absence,

Leave of absence shall be granted to employees to serve in the Armed Forces during hostilities or during a time of war as declared by the Government of Canada. Seniority will accumulate during such leave.






 
The key requirement is maintaining currency in the profession or trade via civilian employment.

Our ( not me anymore ) currency in the profession is maintained by The Sunnybrook Centre for Prehospital Medicine.

The delegation of controlled medical acts is through our Medical Director.

Before taking a part-time job with another employer involving controlled medical acts, I would check first with our Medical Director.
 
Lotsa guys that retired or released young would probably sign up if and only if the CAF gave a frig about them, or even bothered to ask how they’re doing and if they can or could help out.

One of the reasons the CAF is not all that interested in the reserves is they need full time bodies onboard to trigger treasury contributions to SISIP, without which the plan would collapse or cost so much per retiree that it would raise eyebrows and alarms. A complete change in force structure would - (and this should happen anyway) - likely trigger a change to a DB pension system rather than the over generous DB system that currently exists. Unpopular opinion I know, but the cost per employee of the PS, RCMP and CAF is more than taxpayers can bear, it grossly unfair to the general population, and creates a cruise towards retirement work force rather than produce until you drop (like everybody else has to). It’s not the 1960’s anymore.
Alternatively I think they should bring back the 20 year DB pension. By time someone gets to their second or third contract they realize they only need to do another 8-12 years to get a pension. Most will suffer through that time and then stay for another decade or more. That’s your middle leadership (and eventually your senior leadership) which is critically short at the moment and is very difficult to replace.

Right now they get to 8-12 years in, look at it as having to do 17-13 years and go screw this I am out when they would have done it before knowing the reward will be there sooner. Add in the GI bill set up we currently have to pay for their re-education and there is even less incentive to stay long term.

Messing with pensions messes with retention. My current workforce the grandfathered workers are on a DB pension well I am on a DC pension. The result being I can leave at any point in time very easily. Some have already done so because of opportunities that have popped up and there being no real consequences. Sometimes there is more cost to things than simply the dollars and cents.
Why? Our training establishments should have enough Reg F PYs so that they can deliver all centralized training to all components during peacetime.


We used to have two tiers of Sup Res, so that is not new. I don't see what the problem with this is. We don't need surgeons running around Meaford for 35 days a year so that they can be ready to do surgery on an international operation or during a domestic emergency. Even a mechanic after preliminary training can be adequately prepared on five days a year to go turn wrenches in the corps support area. The key requirement is maintaining currency in the profession or trade via civilian employment.
100% the Regs should handle all training. Reservists are meant to be part time and anyone who finds the time off to work for the Reserves should be progressing their own training not being relied on for what limited availability they have to train someone else.

The ‘self sufficient’ Reserves thing is nonsense considering it’s one military and should have one standard. It’s all about working towards a collective goal, not fighting amongst ourselves to the detriment of the CAF.
 
The CAF tried to build a national data base of civilian skills held by our existing PRes folks. How'd that work out @dapaterson? My guess is it doesn't exist.

That was a rectal pluck from the team behind LFRR. They did not define the requirements. They did not oversee technical implementation to ensure it met requirements. They did not make plans to ensure the product would be sustainable.

They were, charitably, self-important charlatans and blowhards unwilling to do the hard work of any change, and squandered opportunities and left tens of millions of dollars (early 2000s dollars) on the table.

They culminated with direction to "recruit until your eyes bleed" with no plans to train those recruits, and ultimately poisoning the well in some communities as their target demographic learned that the Army was incapable of organizing things.

I have some opinions about LFRR...
 
The army could double the support side, and still not have enough...
I mean if they really want the army to fight as a division for example. That means we need Div level CSS assets, which would mean things like a division level maintenance battalion. Which by our doctrine has 6 Coys and a training platoon. Add in the div logistics, medical, etc and youll grow very large without even adding much to the brigades. That said, as PYs increase we need to fully staff all the battalions properly, and the schools.
 
We're getting ready to fight a real near peer shooting war within the next 5 years.
One point: does that mean we are going to purchase real IFV's? Enough for ALL our RegF Inf units or just Latvia.

IMHO this "plan" for increasing the Reserves is to show off how serious the Liberal government re defence.
 
The Military needs to sort out a few things before even thinking of recruiting more people.
First their recruiting process needs to be streamlined. If it takes a person a year to get in they have moved on, even 6 months is a bit of stretch. I should be able to go it a recruiting office have a interview. Write a test or two and then have a medical arranged for the next day and no later then the following week. I should Fill out my security paper work for back ground check. Have a offer no later then 30 days. With medical cleared, Security cleared and Trades selected. (for higher security levels one can get an initial offer and attend Basic, then if clearance is good carry on. If not cleared then select different trade).
Next The training system needs a major overhaul. Month Two you are sent away for Basic, within two weeks following basic your on the environmental course. If there is going to be a substantial delay in your trades training ie a month. You go to a unit and do OJT. .
They need to stop wasting time in PAT platoons doing crappy inspections for months and years on end for members. They loose interest real quick and get into lots of trouble.
Once initial trades training is completed. Post to your unit. No less then a 5 year posting. Set up the remainder of courses/ training and such. At the end of 5-6 years you have a fully trained member who has some experience. Hopefully within that first 5 years they get some operational experience overseas.
Next is equipment. They need to buy more of everything. They need to buy more spare parts. They need to set up CTCs with equipment. They need to set up units with equipment.

If they cant fix and do all of these three things they are doomed to fail
- Recruiting
-Training
-Equipment.
 
As of 2016, there were a reported 169,000 personnel in the Ukrainian Ground Forces. The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine resulted in massive increases in personnel numbers; Defence Minister Reznikov stated the armed forces had a strength of 700,000 in July 2022, not counting the border guard, national guard, or police.

169,000 Jan 2022
700,000 July 2022

Plus border guards (60,000)
police (130,000)
and national guard. (60-90,000)


Over 500,000 people absorbed in under 6 months.

( and that included buying their own uniforms, guns and drones, learning how to fire Javelins and NLAWs, and directly and actively engaging Russians, killing and being killed, while families were being killed, captured or evacuated).

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Operation Interflex began on 9 July 2022, led by the British Army's 11th Security Force Assistance Brigade. Approximately 1,050 British military personnel were placed on standby to assist with training, which is held at several sites across the UK. To assist with training, the UK government rapidly procured AK variant rifles, similar to those used by Ukrainian forces.

By 30 June 2022, approximately 450 Ukrainian troops had received training in the UK. This training reportedly focused on the use of UK-supplied weaponry, including M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems.

On 4 August 2022, Canada joined New Zealand and the Netherlands in sending a contingent to assist with the UK-led training programme. Approximately 170 soldiers were sent to the UK under Operation UNIFIER, primarily from Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

On 11 November 2022, it was reported that approximately 7,400 Ukrainian military personnel had completed training in the UK

By 5 July 2023, 18,000 Ukrainian service personnel had been trained under Operation Interflex.

In November 2024, the Defence Secretary announced that the number of Ukrainian recruits to have been trained as part of the UK-led operation had hit 50,000.


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Interflex training 10-20,000 troops/trainers per year.
5 weeks from civilian to soldier.



The course is delivered over a minimum period of five weeks and includes weapons handling, battlefield first aid, Law of Armed Conflict training, patrol tactics and rural environment training. During the past 12 months, the UK’s wider package of support has also evolved to include upskilling Ukrainian Marines, with British Commandos training Ukraine’s forces in small boat amphibious operations, as well as mine-clearance training by the Royal Engineers, trauma response training and even Army chaplaincy support for Ukrainian padres.

After launching last summer, a number of international partner forces joined the programme, providing vital experience, training and insight into frontline combat. These countries include Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Lithuania, The Netherlands and Australia. And today, NATO ally Romania has also confirmed its involvement, taking the total number of partner nations to ten.
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5 weeks
And postage stamp training grounds.

I suggest that that is a good starting point for raising and qualifying 60,000 reservists.
Then send them on for OJT with the Regs.

There are at least 170 PPCLI aware of how the Brits are doing it.
 
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