Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[dapaterson]

Plea deals both protect the legal system and keep it functional by avoiding lengthy trials, and betray the legal system by glossing over serious crimes in the interest of expediency.

 

[brihard]

Plea deals both protect the legal system and keep it functional by avoiding lengthy trials, and betray the legal system by glossing over serious crimes in the interest of expediency.

I agree. I trust you’re on side with expanding physical courtroom space, hiring more judges, prosecutors and court staff, building more remanding centers and hiring more correctional staff? All of those will realistically have to happen to reduce the protective impact of plea deals on ‘the system’.

 

[dapaterson]

I agree. I trust you’re on side with expanding physical courtroom space, hiring more judges, prosecutors and court staff, building more remanding centers and hiring more correctional staff? All of those will realistically have to happen to reduce the protective impact of plea deals on ‘the system’.

Yup. Starving the legal system is a ridiculous approach. Much like wanting corrections to focus on punishment rather than rehabilitation. The latter is more expensive, but also of greater benefit to society.

 

[Jarnhamar]

She did not accept with the Crown’s suggestion that Robinz was well enough to pass psychological screening before joining EPS, saying she has no evidence how police screen recruits.

Maybe there needs to be heavier psychological screening for police officers, and especially former CAF ones.

 

[Haggis]

Maybe there needs to be heavier psychological screening for police officers, and especially former CAF ones.

Or maybe he's an exceptional case. There's a growing number of CAF vets in my agency. Our psych screening is pretty thorough. We're about 8,500 uniforms strong and the ones I've crossed paths with are all solid folk, so far.

 

[brihard]

Maybe there needs to be heavier psychological screening for police officers, and especially former CAF ones.

I would be interested in some sort of large (anonymized of course) cohort study of CAF vets who’ve moved into public safety professions and whether there are any statistically significant observation as to the likelihood of being involved in any sort of founded misconduct issues. RCMP/CSC/CBSA would probably provide a pretty decently large sample for such.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I would be interested in some sort of large (anonymized of course) cohort study of CAF vets who’ve moved into public safety professions and whether there are any statistically significant observation as to the likelihood of being involved in any sort of founded misconduct issues. RCMP/CSC/CBSA would probably provide a pretty decently large sample for such.

What about serving members?

I've seen a non-zero number who would have been kicked out of any other organization for being psychopaths...

 

[Jarnhamar]

We're about 8,500 uniforms strong and the ones I've crossed paths with are all solid folk, so far.

I believe you.

I feel like a lot of former CAF members who get in shit are solid folk-until their not.

The other possibility is that these people's coworkers notice them doing fucked up shit and don't say anything about it. That opens up another can of worms, and especially concerning with public safety roles.

This guy abused his position as a police officer for 2 years with at least 8 victims. I wonder what the chances his peers had zero inclination of his behavior is.

I dont have numbers but it does feel like anytime a former CAF member gets in shit, deployments and PTSD are immediately brought up. Very possible that this is just a confirmation bias on my part.

 

[RangerRay]

I agree. I trust you’re on side with expanding physical courtroom space, hiring more judges, prosecutors and court staff, building more remanding centers and hiring more correctional staff? All of those will realistically have to happen to reduce the protective impact of plea deals on ‘the system’.

Hell, we would have to do that anyways just to meet the current demand on the system.

 

[Haggis]

I would be interested in some sort of large (anonymized of course) cohort study of CAF vets who’ve moved into public safety professions and whether there are any statistically significant observation as to the likelihood of being involved in any sort of founded misconduct issues. RCMP/CSC/CBSA would probably provide a pretty decently large sample for such.

When I applied to federal LE I was shocked at the amount of attention given to my psychological wellbeing compared to when I joined/served in the CAF. I was even more shocked during my psych eval interview at the topics the psychologist focused on which, in my opinion, had no bearing at all on the job I was being hired to do. And he was creepy as hell!

 

[lenaitch]

Very possible that this is just a confirmation bias on my part

It might be. 'PTSD" is tossed around pretty liberally these days, particularly in court sentencing submissions. I don't think there is a solid or generally accepted set of parameters for the Disorder, at least outside of the medical community. It can range from experiencing something no person should experience to breaking up with a boyfriend.

 

[lenaitch]

It seems Toronto Police Service wins the prize in Ontario for having the first member suspended without pay following the legislative change last year.

Toronto police officer facing theft, breach of trust charges suspended without pay

Det. Const. Brian Sukhram, a Toronto police officer, has been charged with theft in connection with an “on-duty incident.”

www.ctvnews.ca

Given the tepid response from their normally very outspoken Association, it will be interesting to hear the backstory.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It might be. 'PTSD" is tossed around pretty liberally these days, particularly in court sentencing submissions. I don't think there is a solid or generally accepted set of parameters for the Disorder, at least outside of the medical community. It can range from experiencing something no person should experience to breaking up with a boyfriend.

I was told I have all the signs and symptoms of PTSD but its not negatively effecting my life so no diagnosis.

So until I do something negative or dramatic or both I'm GTG.

The CAF medical system is a strange beast.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I don't think there is a solid or generally accepted set of parameters for the Disorder, at least outside of the medical community.

I dont want to give any site visitors ideas but I'll go out on a limb and say it's not incredibly difficult to get a PTSD diagnosis from doctors. I could talk someone through it quite easily (and to the tune of $100,000 or so from VAC).

It boils down to meeting (or "meeting") a handful of criteria from the DSM-5.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Another misconduct charge.

Toronto cop demoted after failing to properly investigate woman’s calls for help days before her murder

 

[dapaterson]

Arrest a thirteen year old in mental distress and handcuff them? Have them scream insults? Obviously you should smash their face into the ground.

Sixteen month demotion.

Ottawa cop demoted for assaulting handcuffed boy at CHEO

An OPS constable has pleaded guilty to discreditable conduct and been demoted for assaulting a boy at CHEO.

ottawacitizen.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

It's a f**king kid for God's sake???
And given his employment background and experience. Seriously beaucoup problems here.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Arrest a thirteen year old in mental distress and handcuff them? Have them scream insults? Obviously you should smash their face into the ground.

Sixteen month demotion.

Ottawa cop demoted for assaulting handcuffed boy at CHEO

An OPS constable has pleaded guilty to discreditable conduct and been demoted for assaulting a boy at CHEO.

ottawacitizen.com

Its super nice the cop was spared a criminal record.

 

[PMedMoe]

Arrest a thirteen year old in mental distress and handcuff them? Have them scream insults? Obviously you should smash their face into the ground.

Sixteen month demotion.

Ottawa cop demoted for assaulting handcuffed boy at CHEO

An OPS constable has pleaded guilty to discreditable conduct and been demoted for assaulting a boy at CHEO.

ottawacitizen.com

I read that yesterday. Infuriating.

"Hearing officer Superintendent Chris Rheaume said the officer, to his credit, fully co-operated with the internal-affairs investigation. "

But why didn't he report the use of force in the first place??

 

[daftandbarmy]

She needs to find another job...

Police officer left with broken nose after Manchester Airport brawl tells court she was 'absolutely terrified'​

PC Lydia Ward says other people in the car park pay area did not help and were just filming on their phones and "shouting stuff".


A police officer who had her nose broken after being punched to the floor at Manchester Airport has told a court she was "absolutely terrified".

Jurors were shown footage of PC Lydia Ward with blood streaming from her nose following the incident.

The court heard she was attacked by Mohammed Fahir Amaaz in July 2024 after officers tried to arrest him for allegedly headbutting a man in an airport Starbucks.

Footage shows him resisting and a brawl breaking out between police, Amaaz, and his brother Muhammad Amaad.

PC Ward said they intended to detain Amaaz and take him outside but he started to "tense up and resist" when colleagues took hold of him.

Police officer left with broken nose after Manchester Airport brawl tells court she was 'absolutely terrified'

PC Lydia Ward says other people in the car park pay area did not help and were just filming on their phones and "shouting stuff".

news.sky.com