Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-gdp-q2-1.7620878

 

[MilEME09]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-gdp-q2-1.7620878

Unfortunately was to be expected, and Unfortunately while the US appeals court just ruled most of trumps tariffs illegal. They pushed off reminding them until Oct 24th so the supreme court can hear the case which doesnt help us. What it does do to help us though is potentially put pressure on the trunp admin to get a deal signed that is legal to prevent any reprocusions. Which benefits us in talks.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Unfortunately was to be expected, and Unfortunately while the US appeals court just ruled most of trumps tariffs illegal. They pushed off reminding them until Oct 24th so the supreme court can hear the case which doesnt help us. What it does do to help us though is potentially put pressure on the trunp admin to get a deal signed that is legal to prevent any reprocusions. Which benefits us in talks.

Agreed.

The fact that its only 1.6% is a miracle, honestly.

 

[RangerRay]

If there is one thing I’m disappointed with Carney, although not surprised, would be that nothing has been done on foreign influence campaigns here. But if the Tories won’t take it seriously, why would the government be incentivized in taking it seriously?

 

[MilEME09]

If there is one thing I’m disappointed with Carney, although not surprised, would be that nothing has been done on foreign influence campaigns here. But if the Tories won’t take it seriously, why would the government be incentivized in taking it seriously?

Id agree, and as much as i will take flak for this, i do firmly believe a bill should be passed so all future party leaders must apply for a security clearance within 30 days of taking office. Regardless of party, we need redundancy beyond ethics disclosures to ensure our leaders are free from foreign influence. Tightening lobbying rules, and tighter rules over foreign funding and control of our media as well. Then to top it off, an actual enforceable code of conduct for MP's both inside and outside the house, with penalties for deliberately pushing false information.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I have heard the same percentages for summer homes on Lake Simcoe. Between Sutton and Orillia they say over half the cottages are now rentals. No neighbourhoods and no communities left

I am not opposed to cottages being rented out regularly, if anything it increases access to the general public to these areas. Otherwise it’s just a rich mans club which keeps the plebs like me out and is only occupied a fraction of the time.

 

[Furniture]

with penalties for deliberately pushing false information.

Who determines what is false?

As soon as you start enforcing this sort of thing in politics, it will be turned into a weapon to silence opposition.

Eg. "Mr. Speaker, will the Prime Minister explain where the missing $40M dollars has gone?"

"Mr. Speaker, would the Honourable member from (somewhere rural, or out west) care to withdraw their false allegation, lest they be seen as breeching the code of conduct for uttering false statements?"

 

[lenaitch]

I am not opposed to cottages being rented out regularly, if anything it increases access to the general public to these areas. Otherwise it’s just a rich mans club which keeps the plebs like me out and is only occupied a fraction of the time.

And that has gone on for years. Cottage owners renting out their little slice of lakefront for a few weeks each summer and enjoying it themselves for the remainder. What changed was the emergence of short-term rentals and cottages purchased solely as investment property (although I don't think the latter is all that common). Short-term rentals have been a massive source of noise and disruption and caught most municipalities off-guard. Many are still wrestling with how to deal with them effectively. If nothing else, small rural municipalities lack the resources to employ after-hours bylaw enforcement.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Who determines what is false?

As soon as you start enforcing this sort of thing in politics, it will be turned into a weapon to silence opposition.

Or a weapon to ensure the REAL truth gets out, depending on whether you support the party wielding the sword at the moment.

 

[Eaglelord17]

And that has gone on for years. Cottage owners renting out their little slice of lakefront for a few weeks each summer and enjoying it themselves for the remainder. What changed was the emergence of short-term rentals and cottages purchased solely as investment property (although I don't think the latter is all that common). Short-term rentals have been a massive source of noise and disruption and caught most municipalities off-guard. Many are still wrestling with how to deal with them effectively. If nothing else, small rural municipalities lack the resources to employ after-hours bylaw enforcement.

I see it mainly as nimbyism. The logic in restricting short term rentals of cottages is mainly the neighbours not liking having to share access to those areas.

I can understand the neighbours gripes, they mainly are going to be older and/or wealthy people. Your average young Canadian can’t afford a house, let alone a cottage. Those are also the people who tend not to make much noise, have many parties, or do much that is particularly fun. Essentially retirement communities.

Rentals increase access to the general public and if there is anything I have learned dealing with older people, they do not like sharing with the general public. They would rather the cottages sit empty than have the income come in the area.

 

[MilEME09]

Who determines what is false?

As soon as you start enforcing this sort of thing in politics, it will be turned into a weapon to silence opposition.

Eg. "Mr. Speaker, will the Prime Minister explain where the missing $40M dollars has gone?"

"Mr. Speaker, would the Honourable member from (somewhere rural, or out west) care to withdraw their false allegation, lest they be seen as breeching the code of conduct for uttering false statements?"

There's a vast difference between allegations, and deliberately lying. Nor is asking a question spreading false information. However say example during the election debate Pierre Poilievre stated when he was housing minister 200k affordable units were built. When in reality it was about 4k. In the 2021 leaders debate said the government wasn't taking first nations children to court, they were. In cases where its black and white verifiable that someone is lying, they should face sanctions. Plenty of examples even today of politicians spreading false information about vaccines as well that harms public health.

Here's an example from the UK where Wales wants to do just this very idea

Wales wants to punish lying politicians – how would it work?

Politicians in Wales who deliberately mislead the public could face suspension or even recall under proposals aimed at restoring trust in politics.

theconversation.com

 

[YZT580]

I see it mainly as nimbyism. The logic in restricting short term rentals of cottages is mainly the neighbours not liking having to share access to those areas.

I can understand the neighbours gripes, they mainly are going to be older and/or wealthy people. Your average young Canadian can’t afford a house, let alone a cottage. Those are also the people who tend not to make much noise, have many parties, or do much that is particularly fun. Essentially retirement communities.

Rentals increase access to the general public and if there is anything I have learned dealing with older people, they do not like sharing with the general public. They would rather the cottages sit empty than have the income come in the area.

Bull feathers. Cottages are/were family treasures many of which have been in those families for generations and shared amongst them. Many, particularly on the Stroud side of Lake Simcoe were owned by people from downtown Toronto and served as their means of having green places for children to play and escape the city. The owners were not wealthy. Then along came the government with inheritance fees on the second dwelling and many of those "wealthy" people could no longer afford to keep them in the family so they went up for sale and were bought up by those who now had the money and figured they could turn a quick buck by renting them out, often they were rented out to the same families year after year and the area remained stable. Weekly or monthly rentals were generally family types looking for a vacation as you suggest is appropriate but more and more of the cottages are being bought up by people who aren't interested in a vacation home but the profits to be had by offering weekend party centres facilitated by service such as Air BnB. that didn't exist so Air BnB and the like have provided a way for drunken parties to invade those neighbourhoods. It is only fun for the partiers and no one else and by the way, they are not the so-called general public. They are obnoxious rodents. The noise and filth is unbearable. Those cottages you refer to that are owned by the Eaton's and the actors and lawyers are not typical except in areas like Windemere.

Fun is not fun when it impedes upon others enjoyment. Your statement re: old people suggest that you don't really consider the feelings of others but only about yourself. Older people do have fun, honest, just not the same type of fun that you have.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So we have recently come into 6 figure money. And we're looking for a cottage/hunting camp of our own.

Its been very disheartening to see what our 6 figures will get us. Apparently what we got isn't 6 figure enough.

 

[PrairieFella]

So we have recently come into 6 figure money. And we're looking for a cottage/hunting camp of our own.

Its been very disheartening to see what our 6 figures will get us. Apparently what we got isn't 6 figure enough.

Gets you a summer mansion in Manitoba if youre willing to travel for it haha. Some of my fondest memories are of the cottage North of Victoria Beach. We're unique though in that cottaging is still a middle class affair here. You can still get lots for 20, 30k and you can buy cottages for cheap(ish).

 

[PPCLI Guy]

So we have recently come into 6 figure money. And we're looking for a cottage/hunting camp of our own.

Its been very disheartening to see what our 6 figures will get us. Apparently what we got isn't 6 figure enough.

We rent a cottage for two weeks every year. We keep looking for one to buy (primarily as a means of wealth transfer to my son) and have concluded that we are better off getting a country house for our needs, and then buy a plot of land for the boy to build his own cottage / cabin until we snuff it

 

[brihard]

If there is one thing I’m disappointed with Carney, although not surprised, would be that nothing has been done on foreign influence campaigns here. But if the Tories won’t take it seriously, why would the government be incentivized in taking it seriously?

Foreign influence or foreign interference? The distinction between legality and illegality is general whether things are overt and acknowledged (overt acts by diplomats, trade reps, lobbyists etc), versus acts done covertly and clandestinely and contrary our own security interests. That’s what last summer’s legislation creating new foreign interference offences and creating the laws for a foreign agent registry established.

We’ve been taking about it in the Foreign Interference thread. There was a recent announcement that the Foreign Agents Registry will be up and running this fall and the person in charge of same named.

 

[YZT580]

We rent a cottage for two weeks every year. We keep looking for one to buy (primarily as a means of wealth transfer to my son) and have concluded that we are better off getting a country house for our needs, and then buy a plot of land for the boy to build his own cottage / cabin until we snuff it

we had one of those family things that was sold last generation. It was maybe 750 sq. ft. with a little shack that was moved every 5 years or so for facilities and a 10 minute walk from the beach. Our indoor plumbing was a hand pump on the sink but it was great, nothing but good memories. I would love to find a lot to put a trailer on but they are few and mostly 3 or more hours drive away and even them some municipalities won't let you park temporary accommodation unless you have applied for a building permit. (sigh) And nobody is making waterfront anymore

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Nor is asking a question spreading false information.

Depends on the context and how it's asked.

Has Bloggins stopped beating his wife?

Did Bloggins ever get those pedophilia/child pornography charges cleared?

How many of these kind of questions have we all seen on memes/clickbait on the socials?

... Plenty of examples even today of politicians spreading false information about vaccines as well that harms public health ...

How many of those would be defended by "hey, we offered the best information we had and advice received at the moment and judged/made decisions accordingly"?

And how many team supporters would be OK with their team saying that, and how many team haters would be screaming bloody murder if the another team said that?

Here's an example from the UK where Wales wants to do just this very idea

Wales wants to punish lying politicians – how would it work?

Politicians in Wales who deliberately mislead the public could face suspension or even recall under proposals aimed at restoring trust in politics.

theconversation.com

Thanks for sharing that. Looks like the proponents would like to treat it like conflict of interest rules: call people out, but not criminally.

... In cases where its black and white verifiable that someone is lying, they should face sanctions ...

Even CSE in the attached handout on dis-mis-information shows there's levels of "correct" ...

Types of information

• Valid information means that it is factually correct, is based on data that can be confirmed, and isn’t misleading in any way.
• Inaccurate information is either incomplete or manipulated in a way that portrays a false narrative.
• False information is incorrect and there is data that disproves it.
• Unsustainable information can neither be confirmed nor disproved based on the available data.

How many political statements from ANY party fulfills the big three bits in yellow of "valid information"? Is that "truth"? How much "political truth" is more "inaccurate"?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Gets you a summer mansion in Manitoba if youre willing to travel for it haha. Some of my fondest memories are of the cottage North of Victoria Beach. We're unique though in that cottaging is still a middle class affair here. You can still get lots for 20, 30k and you can buy cottages for cheap(ish).

Id love to move west. Or South and West. But sadly I highly doubt that's ever in my cards.

We rent a cottage for two weeks every year. We keep looking for one to buy (primarily as a means of wealth transfer to my son) and have concluded that we are better off getting a country house for our needs, and then buy a plot of land for the boy to build his own cottage / cabin until we snuff it

I've started to look this was way well, or just an undeveloped acreage.