Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[Czech_pivo]

I see that a pipeline didn't even make the second list. Would one of you liberal apologists please explain how we are going to become an energy superpower when our resources are landlocked. Although the port of Churchill is listed, there is no indication that the rail line is going to be improved to link with and carry petroleum products from source to the port so that is out. However, the port of Montreal ranks way up there but again, no indication of energy transport.

I'm looking for some clarity here.

Was the expectation that the identification of 'fast tracked' projects by the Feds (with the Provs and Indigenous partners) was that the Fed's would be making the purely business decision as to what was going to be built and where and what route it would take, or, was the aim of 'fast tracked' identification to select already defined projects that were stuck in the molasses of gov't bureaucracy and push them across the finish line ASAP?

Are there any open, business initiated, oil pipeline proposals in the works right now, beyond some back of the napkin stuff?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I'm looking for some clarity here.

Was the expectation that the identification of 'fast tracked' projects by the Feds (with the Provs and Indigenous partners) was that the Fed's would be making the purely business decision as to what was going to be built and where and what route it would take, or, was the aim of 'fast tracked' identification to select already defined projects that were stuck in the molasses of gov't bureaucracy and push them across the finish line ASAP?

Are there any open, business initiated, oil pipeline proposals in the works right now, beyond some back of the napkin stuff?

No major company is risking 20-35 Billion with a government that has the track record of the Liberals.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No major company is risking 20-35 Billion with a government that has the track record of the Liberals.

Understood.

What I was trying to get at is this - given the timeline between say first week of June until the first week of September, is it really, truly, optimistic that a business would have been able to put forward a comprehensive enough proposal to even suggest a new oil pipeline to tidewater? No, I do not believe that any business would have been able to pull that off over the June to first week of Sept.

Over the last 9-12yrs, were there any tidewater oil pipeline proposals put forward? If yes, are those businesses still around, still working together (because I'd be surprised if it was 1 business going alone, but more likely a consortium of businesses)? I'm not shocked to see that in the 1st or 2nd rounds nothing was announced. I would be more upset if another 9 months out from now, nothing is in the works.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Understood.

What I was trying to get at is this - given the timeline between say first week of June until the first week of September, is it really, truly, optimistic that a business would have been able to put forward a comprehensive enough proposal to even suggest a new oil pipeline to tidewater? No, I do not believe that any business would have been able to pull that off over the June to first week of Sept.

Over the last 9-12yrs, were there any tidewater oil pipeline proposals put forward? If yes, are those businesses still around, still working together (because I'd be surprised if it was 1 business going alone, but more likely a consortium of businesses)? I'm not shocked to see that in the 1st or 2nd rounds nothing was announced. I would be more upset if another 9 months out from now, nothing is in the works.

Under the Harper government, we had 9 companies vying to build a LNG plant at PR and 3 in Kitimat. Even then what happened is they got discouraged by the Provincial governments, FN groups and environmentalists. A bunch bandied together to share resources and risks by building LNGCanada. The great thing is that LNGCanada shows it can be done and will set the stage for others. We have 2 smaller LNG projects under construction.
Prince Rupert did get two Propane export facilities out of it and that is helping the local economy very well. A number of the FN groups are seeing the benefits of having a revenue stream that is not tied to government oversight and spending rules. Some of the biggest challenges now in BC is the absolutely sucky terrain to build through which has very high costs per mile and a lot of geological risk in it.

 

[QV]

Understood.

What I was trying to get at is this - given the timeline between say first week of June until the first week of September, is it really, truly, optimistic that a business would have been able to put forward a comprehensive enough proposal to even suggest a new oil pipeline to tidewater? No, I do not believe that any business would have been able to pull that off over the June to first week of Sept.

Over the last 9-12yrs, were there any tidewater oil pipeline proposals put forward? If yes, are those businesses still around, still working together (because I'd be surprised if it was 1 business going alone, but more likely a consortium of businesses)? I'm not shocked to see that in the 1st or 2nd rounds nothing was announced. I would be more upset if another 9 months out from now, nothing is in the works.

Don't hold your breath. See this:

No major company is risking 20-35 Billion with a government that has the track record of the Liberals.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Don't hold your breath. See this:

Answer this question. Is Premier Smith foaming at the mouth right now in anger and disgust?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Under the Harper government, we had 9 companies vying to build a LNG plant at PR and 3 in Kitimat. Even then what happened is they got discouraged by the Provincial governments, FN groups and environmentalists. A bunch bandied together to share resources and risks by building LNGCanada. The great thing is that LNGCanada shows it can be done and will set the stage for others. We have 2 smaller LNG projects under construction.
Prince Rupert did get two Propane export facilities out of it and that is helping the local economy very well. A number of the FN groups are seeing the benefits of having a revenue stream that is not tied to government oversight and spending rules. Some of the biggest challenges now in BC is the absolutely sucky terrain to build through which has very high costs per mile and a lot of geological risk in it.

I understood.

Glad to see that the doubling of LNG Canada is going to occur. Hopeful that it is the catalyst of more to come - like out of Churchill and then a new one to either east of Cornwall or the north shore of Quebec.

I am still of the belief that one of the prices of Canada being allowed into the EU's defense pact is us bringing at least 1 LNG facility to the east coast and supplying the EU with LNG.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Under the Harper government, we had 9 companies vying to build a LNG plant at PR and 3 in Kitimat. Even then what happened is they got discouraged by the Provincial governments, FN groups and environmentalists. A bunch bandied together to share resources and risks by building LNGCanada. The great thing is that LNGCanada shows it can be done and will set the stage for others. We have 2 smaller LNG projects under construction.
Prince Rupert did get two Propane export facilities out of it and that is helping the local economy very well. A number of the FN groups are seeing the benefits of having a revenue stream that is not tied to government oversight and spending rules. Some of the biggest challenges now in BC is the absolutely sucky terrain to build through which has very high costs per mile and a lot of geological risk in it.

And Eby is desperate

Rob Shaw: Eby changes tune as LNG becomes political lifeline​

Once an LNG skeptic, premier now leaning on the project to power B.C.’s economy and his political fortunes


If you’d told the young, shaggy-haired David Eby who upset Clark in her riding in 2013 that he’d one day be quoting her almost verbatim in defence of an LNG plant, he’d probably have spit out his tofu at you.

Ah, but politics. It has a way of making people do and say strange things in pursuit of the almighty vote.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/rob-shaw-eby-changes-tune-as-lng-becomes-political-lifeline-10874858

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And Eby is desperate

Rob Shaw: Eby changes tune as LNG becomes political lifeline​

Once an LNG skeptic, premier now leaning on the project to power B.C.’s economy and his political fortunes

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/rob-shaw-eby-changes-tune-as-lng-becomes-political-lifeline-10874858

Apparently running a Leftist nirvana is expensive, who would have thunk.....

 

[QV]

Answer this question. Is Premier Smith foaming at the mouth right now in anger and disgust?

I don't know. The last report I saw she is optimistic, I didn't delve into it and don't know if that remains the case.

I just have the history of the last decade of LPC government to inform my views and am not easily swayed by platitudes.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Apparently running a Leftist nirvana is expensive, who would have thunk.....

 

[Kirkhill]

I see that a pipeline didn't even make the second list. Would one of you liberal apologists please explain how we are going to become an energy superpower when our resources are landlocked. Although the port of Churchill is listed, there is no indication that the rail line is going to be improved to link with and carry petroleum products from source to the port so that is out. However, the port of Montreal ranks way up there but again, no indication of energy transport.

I am a proponent of pipelines, a climate crisis heretic and a Danielle Smith supporter.

And I am not disappointed.

Yet.

Smith is absolutely right that the underlying need is for the government to change policy and legislate differently.

I leave myself open to being disappointed after legislation and after the budget. I hope that Carney will demonstrate his intentions through actions. I am hopeful.

He has a massive amount of momentum to overcome given decades of AGW messaging and the true believers that elected him to save both their jobs and their plans. The good news is that they see him, for now, as one of them.

The better news is that they are starting to organize against him because they fear he may be turning apostate. Some members have felt it necessary to create an Environment Caucus to keep him on the straight and narrow.

To get a tanker route out of Dixon Entrance he is going to have to give them something. To make Albera happy he is going to have to keep Quebec on side. Etc.

Carbon Capture will have to come before a pipeline. Industry will only invest in that if they see a future in oil and gas. That will only happen when they see legislative signals.

And all of it will be greased by First Nations involvement, led by those nations that are already heavily invested in the oil and gas industry and making money from it, and by the predominantly indigenous territorial governments.

As I said, I have hope.

 

[Kirkhill]

Also, wrt Churchill, I expect oil to start moving out of there slowly by rail initially.

A rail upgrade predicated on moving large amounts of potash (new route, new bed, twin tracks) will also serve all other traffic. That could include oil and compressed natural gas.

The north still uses oil. As do the locals in Haida Gwai.

If a little is acceptable then it becomes harder to argue against a lot on principle.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I don't know. The last report I saw she is optimistic, I didn't delve into it and don't know if that remains the case.

I just have the history of the last decade of LPC government to inform my views and am not easily swayed by platitudes.

Fair statement

 

[YZT580]

The TMX project tripled capacity and has alot of room for further increases. You could argue that we're doing pretty good in the short term on getting carbon to tidewater for bitumen. Focusing on LNG, a very new form of energy production for Canada, is probably a good choice for 'first out the gate'.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-tmx-optimization-oil-wcs-1.7624323

but is a long way from the European market

 

[brihard]

but is a long way from the European market

Watch Newfoundland for this one. We may well see an LNG project that extracts east coast gas and ships from east coast ports.

Fermeuse Energy Announces LNG Export Development in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada

/CNW/ - Fermeuse Energy Limited today announced plans to lead the development of a liquefaction hub at the Fermeuse Marine supply base. The announcement is in...

www.newswire.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Watch Newfoundland for this one. We may well see an LNG project that extracts east coast gas and ships from east coast ports.

Fermeuse Energy Announces LNG Export Development in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada

/CNW/ - Fermeuse Energy Limited today announced plans to lead the development of a liquefaction hub at the Fermeuse Marine supply base. The announcement is in...

www.newswire.ca

Have said it before, I think the EU is going to ‘make’ us build an east coast LNG site of substantial portions as the price of being allowed into their defence plans

 

[Czech_pivo]

I don't know. The last report I saw she is optimistic, I didn't delve into it and don't know if that remains the case.

I just have the history of the last decade of LPC government to inform my views and am not easily swayed by platitudes.

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Here’s the answer.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Looks like Premier Smith is vying with Doug Ford as to who’s Carneys best buddy.

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[Czech_pivo]

The news just keeps on coming.

Canada may drop oil emissions cap

Exclusive: Canada may drop oil emissions cap as part of new climate plan, sources say

Canada's government is in discussions with energy companies and Alberta about eliminating a federal cap on emissions from the country's oil and gas sector if the industry and province reduce their carbon footprint in other ways, three sources with knowledge of the talks said.

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