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Medium Cavalry: Critical Capability or Poor Man’s MBT?

Define shock action.

Of whom are you asking the question? The person that posited shock action or the person that responded?

My own understanding of the commonly used phrase is that it was violent, aggressive action designed to break the enemy's line and permit penetration. Typically this was supplied by men on horseback who could cover ground faster than infantry and impact the line with more momentum (mass x velocity) occasioned by the combination of both the faster and heavier horse.

For the Brits Colin Campbell's thin red line of rifles removed the shock of cavalry action. Maxim's machine gun made the loss permanent.

The 4 mph tank supplied a form of shock temporarily but the interwar years were defined by a hunt to find a shocking course of action.

Some would suggest that shock is only possible with surprise. The unexpected or novel.
 
Define shock action.

A rapid, overwhelming, decisive action that overcomes an enemies defences and causes them to loose their will to fight through surprise, fear, and the destruction of their forces.

I can probably find a better doctrinal answer when I’m back at work.
 
Define shock action.
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Let's be honest things have morphed a long way since man first picked up a rock.

Indirect fire sort of went away with the demise of the Longbowmen and Trebuchet, and Artillery where pretty much a direct fire weapon in the days of Wellington and Napoleon.

No amount of historical claims work significantly well when looking at how to best organize a military at this junction of times.
One is best served by looking at the tasks required of a Modern Army, and organizing from there.

My distaste for Medium Calvary comes from my belief that it really is not a role. Now maybe that is due to my Americanism, and the belief that a dedicated "Armored Calvary" structure is better suited to that role. If one looks from Army, to Corps and down to the Division, what is one is really looking for from a Calvary formation?

Doctrinally you want it to provide security and reconnaissance, but what does that really mean in terms of todays sensors and strike capabilities?

What is security in this day and age, and how does one get it.
Depending upon threat, that may require National Level asset commitments, or for nations without those capabilities it would require partner nation support to blind satellites and/or jam/spoof enemy communication and sensors.
That isn't going to be found in a Bde level formation, and is really a Theatre level effort.
Sidelining that for a period, what are the security threats that a Division faces:
Enemy Ground Forces: Reconnaissance Teams, Special Forces, Conventional formations, UAS platforms from ISR to Strike, as well as as potential hostile civilians.
Enemy Air Forces: Strike and ISR larger UAS, as well as Strike and ISR aircraft and Helicopters.

What sort of force can screen that?

I’d argue it’s a lot more than a few wheeled vehicles.
 
A rapid, overwhelming, decisive action that overcomes an enemies defences and causes them to loose their will to fight through surprise, fear, and the destruction of their forces.

I can probably find a better doctrinal answer when I’m back at work.

"The main way to achieve shock effect on a large scale on the battlefield is concentrated artillery fire." Jim Storr, "Battlegroup! The Lessons of the Unfought Battles of the Cold War," pg 279.

;)
 
Let's be honest things have morphed a long way since man first picked up a rock.

Indirect fire sort of went away with the demise of the Longbowmen and Trebuchet, and Artillery where pretty much a direct fire weapon in the days of Wellington and Napoleon.

No amount of historical claims work significantly well when looking at how to best organize a military at this junction of times.
One is best served by looking at the tasks required of a Modern Army, and organizing from there.

My distaste for Medium Calvary comes from my belief that it really is not a role. Now maybe that is due to my Americanism, and the belief that a dedicated "Armored Calvary" structure is better suited to that role. If one looks from Army, to Corps and down to the Division, what is one is really looking for from a Calvary formation?

Doctrinally you want it to provide security and reconnaissance, but what does that really mean in terms of todays sensors and strike capabilities?

What is security in this day and age, and how does one get it.
Depending upon threat, that may require National Level asset commitments, or for nations without those capabilities it would require partner nation support to blind satellites and/or jam/spoof enemy communication and sensors.
That isn't going to be found in a Bde level formation, and is really a Theatre level effort.
Sidelining that for a period, what are the security threats that a Division faces:
Enemy Ground Forces: Reconnaissance Teams, Special Forces, Conventional formations, UAS platforms from ISR to Strike, as well as as potential hostile civilians.
Enemy Air Forces: Strike and ISR larger UAS, as well as Strike and ISR aircraft and Helicopters.

What sort of force can screen that?

I’d argue it’s a lot more than a few wheeled vehicles.

It will also take a lot more than a few tracked vehicles covering less ground at a slower pace.

The choice between swatting rabbits or tortoises.

Everything under the sun can be killed.

The question is: how do you keep the enemy guessing?

How do you act in a shocking manner?

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And by the way, the trebuchet was a direct fire weapon - the artillerist could see the target from the point of launch. Effective indirect fire only became possible with modern comms permitting third party observation.
 
"The main way to achieve shock effect on a large scale on the battlefield is concentrated artillery fire." Jim Storr, "Battlegroup! The Lessons of the Unfought Battles of the Cold War," pg 279.

;)

Ah well if Jim Storr said it…

I’d question the value of that assertion from a man with very limited operational experience and who never would have seen concentrated artillery fire beyond a canned range. However I understand I have a largely dissenting opinion of Storr.
 
Ah well if Jim Storr said it…

Germany's WW1 Maxim gunners demur.

After days if not weeks of hard pounding they still found it in themselves to drag their guns into firing positions and slaughter the hordes.

You can get used to anything and shock eventually wears off.
 
As I think about it they repeated their efforts on the WW2 Easter front in the face of Stalin's guns, katyushas and hordes.

I have had more than one German vet tell me the reason they lost was they ran out of bullets before Stalin's commissars ran out targets for them.
 
It will also take a lot more than a few tracked vehicles covering less ground at a slower pace.
I’m definitely not suggesting a track only heavy force. I’m suggesting a varied force, but in that Recce Bde type setting I don’t see much use for medium wheels. Light and Ultra light wheels yes, as well as medium and heavy tracks.
The choice between swatting rabbits or tortoises.
It takes me nothing to deny a roadway. Your medium wheels now lose their mobility advantages, and tracks and lighter wheels do much better off road.
Everything under the sun can be killed.
Yes, but not everything killed easily.
The question is: how do you keep the enemy guessing?
By having a varied force structure that can float and sting, as well as making them blind.
How do you act in a shocking manner?
Usually after a lot of Tequila;)
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And by the way, the trebuchet was a direct fire weapon - the artillerist could see the target from the point of launch. Effective indirect fire only became possible with modern comms permitting third party observation.
Gunners knew ranges, they didn’t need direct observation to hit targets. Before modern comms there were runners, flags etc.
 
The Americans went through a number of different structures but their WW2 armored division basically had 6 x tank battalions (4 x medium and 2 x light) and 3 x mechanized infantry bns. They were generally divided into two Combat Commands (A and B - albeit that a third Combat Command R[eserve] could also be formed.
Quibbling...the 1943 ("heavy") organization had 6 + 3; the 1944 ("light") organization was 3 + 3 and only the 2A and 3A retained the "heavy" structure. There were two primary formation HQs (CCA and CCB) to which battalions were assigned (theoretically task-organized, but often retaining affiliations for long periods), with CCR sometimes being used. So in the 1944-45 time frame when the US was doing most of its useful European land fighting, the establishments were mostly at 1:1, totalling 7 manoeuvre battalions if the recon battalion is included. Details aside, this does suggest a leaner (fewer manoeuvre battalions) model.
The German WW2 Panzer division settled into a structure with a panzer brigade (2 x tank regiments of 3 x tank coys each) and a motorized infantry brigade (2 x motorized infantry regiments of 3 x rifle and 1 x MG coy each).
Quibbling again (mainly because I consider the 1944-45 time frame the most important for gauging the learning of WW II armies), the two regiments were of two battalions each (one mech, three motor). So 1:2, but the anti-tank battalion, usually StuG-equipped in a panzer division, could be used as the basis of a third grouping with armour. But, again, adding in the aufkl battalion, a total of 8 manoeuvre battalions; less than the triangular "9" template and supporting your argument for smaller divisions since there were 6 tank or infantry. Militating against that is the observation that the Waffen SS divisions were established with a couple more infantry battalions. I take that not just as some kind of irrational one-upmanship, but as evidence for "you can never have enough infantry", even in armoured formations.

(1944-45 Soviet tank corps were considerably different, and although on first glance look tank-heavy on a line chart their smaller tank companies arguably put them somewhat below 1:1 - fewer tanks - while their mech corps were at about 1:2.)

Key to all this is fire support, for which there are not many examples of western armies that did not establish field or light firing battalions on the scale of one per lower manoeuvre formation in their divisions.

To extend: 6 tank or infantry battalions for US and Germany and 7 for Commonwealth. A question I find important is: 2 or 3 lower formation HQs to employ them tactically?

Also, a point I keep putting out because part of the Canadian lamentation is whether we could ever afford the tanks for an "armoured division", two battalions of a "44" establishment is probably enough for an effective division that is something other than a pure mech infantry division. Overall, a battalion ratio closer to 1:2 than 1:1, with 3 lower formation HQs, would be my starting point for modeling and experimentation.

Now, do those lower HQs deal with their covering force-type and other traditional recce/cavalry ("light") tasks out of their manoeuvre assets, or do they need an established element ("cavalry"), and does a list of probable tasks for any given phase amount to more than a sub-unit can handle? How would a task-organized brigade of two tank/infantry battalions and a cavalry battalion, supported by a CS fire control and planning element (irrespective of whether it "owns" any firing platforms), perform on offence and defence?
 
Shock action was provided by the horse (cavalry with sword and lance). Horse artillery (13 pounders) supplied intimate support to the horse.
Against infantry with a modicum of backbone in square, cuirassiers and even lancers could do FA. Cannon could provide the "shock action" by dissolving the square.
 
My own understanding of the commonly used phrase is that it was violent, aggressive action designed to break the enemy's line and permit penetration. Typically this was supplied by men on horseback who could cover ground faster than infantry and impact the line with more momentum (mass x velocity) occasioned by the combination of both the faster and heavier horse.
A grand battery massed on a point of a line - one hapless battalion - is shock action, too. Ditto indirect suppressing fire with closely following infantry. There just aren't that many examples of celebrated successful mass cavalry charges that decided battles.

Armour enthusiasts have been dining out too long on tales of the first appearances of tanks, or the early uses of tanks in 1940. What really unsettles people is finding large tactically agile formations that have contrived to place themselves in the second or third belt of a layered defence if not beyond, by dint mainly of finding the ever-elusive nirvana of a gap or taking advantage of a hard-fought successful breaching fight, courtesy mostly of infantry and artillery.
 
Ah well if Jim Storr said it…

I’d question the value of that assertion from a man with very limited operational experience and who never would have seen concentrated artillery fire beyond a canned range. However I understand I have a largely dissenting opinion of Storr.
Read George V Blackburn's memoirs, even only the Normandy volume.
 
A grand battery massed on a point of a line - one hapless battalion - is shock action, too. Ditto indirect suppressing fire with closely following infantry. There just aren't that many examples of celebrated successful mass cavalry charges that decided battles.

Armour enthusiasts have been dining out too long on tales of the first appearances of tanks, or the early uses of tanks in 1940. What really unsettles people is finding large tactically agile formations that have contrived to place themselves in the second or third belt of a layered defence if not beyond, by dint mainly of finding the ever-elusive nirvana of a gap or taking advantage of a hard-fought successful breaching fight, courtesy mostly of infantry and artillery.

Or by simply outflanking the position. Often by acting across ground the enemy considered impassable. SSF at Monte Difensa. Germans in the Ardennes. Swedes crossing lakes when they are frozen.

Shock is synonymous with surprise.
 
Shock is synonymous with surprise.
I'll be a contrarian. Shock is synonymous with being overwhelmed, even by something expected. You can respond that there is surprise in the voiding of the expectation, but a useful distinction is possible: surprise is something unexpected; overwhelming is something received on a scale exceeding one's ability to cope. In an abstract sense, shock is a mass that otherwise might be tolerated, delivered in a compressed time - and perhaps space - that quickly defeats physical and mental resources. AFVs aren't the only source of mass.
 
Against infantry with a modicum of backbone in square, cuirassiers and even lancers could do FA. Cannon could provide the "shock action" by dissolving the square.

A grand battery massed on a point of a line - one hapless battalion - is shock action, too. Ditto indirect suppressing fire with closely following infantry. There just aren't that many examples of celebrated successful mass cavalry charges that decided battles.

Armour enthusiasts have been dining out too long on tales of the first appearances of tanks, or the early uses of tanks in 1940. What really unsettles people is finding large tactically agile formations that have contrived to place themselves in the second or third belt of a layered defence if not beyond, by dint mainly of finding the ever-elusive nirvana of a gap or taking advantage of a hard-fought successful breaching fight, courtesy mostly of infantry and artillery.

A modicum of backbone
Hapless

Both sugest that failure would be due to a lack of training and especially on the job training.

Also known as experience, or becoming accustomed or acclimatized. Eventually the shock wears off. Even the shock of bombardment.

Napoleon's guns and horse were no longer shocking to Wellington anx his troops. As you say the horse was managed by well drilled soldiers anchored by veterans that had seen off cavalry in squares before. And knew what happened when the square broke. Fear of failure also contributes.

The guns were managed by lying down on a reverse slope where low angled guns firing ball couldn't reach them.

Thus the advent of bombs, shells, shrapnel and fuses. And observers.

Time wounds all heels.
 
I'll be a contrarian. Shock is synonymous with being overwhelmed, even by something expected. You can respond that there is surprise in the voiding of the expectation, but a useful distinction is possible: surprise is something unexpected; overwhelming is something received on a scale exceeding one's ability to cope.]

I'll agree.

[In an abstract sense, shock is a mass that otherwise might be tolerated, delivered in a compressed time - and perhaps space - that quickly defeats physical and mental resources. ]

Now you are stretching.
Mass is not necessary to create overwhelming conditions. Garrisons have been overwhelmed by small teams entering through a sewer. Or a city by a team in a wooden horse.

A body overwhelmed by a prick.

[AFVs aren't the only source of mass.

Absolutely.

Sorry for the lousy editing. Working from my phone.
 
Napoleon's guns and horse were no longer shocking to Wellington anx his troops. As you say the horse was managed by well drilled soldiers anchored by veterans that had seen off cavalry in squares before. And knew what happened when the square broke. Fear of failure also contributes.
We're diverting, but if even one horse battery had been rolled up and one square ripped apart by case, Waterloo would have ended differently.

A point is that shock is possible, and doesn't depend on tanks, nor is it or was it ever the sole purview of cavalry and its descendants.

What a well-established modern cavalry doctrine and force can do is mitigate enemy opportunities for shock by increasing knowledge (particularly of terrain and enemy) and frustrating enemy attempts to mass in space and time. A reason to do it this way is if the job is complicated enough that it shouldn't just be added to the lists of tasks for infantry and tank battalions to master.
 
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