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There’s a difference.
One had a break contract fee and the other is that we’ve paid in full for 16.
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One had a break contract fee and the other is that we’ve paid in full for 16.
OldSolduer
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Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of the political class.
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Truth be told, I have limited knowledge of the Canadian aircraft design/manufacturing history. I know there has been booddogglery
I have limited knowledge on aircraft (I am the dude that rides in them not fixes or flies them). Somehow, we had innovators that brought us the canuck, the arrow idea, caribou, buffalo, otter and twin otter, etc. We had the now how and the means to do it.
What I would like to see, is a genuine effort on part of the industry to draft up like a 10-15 year plan to get back in the game. Make a proposal to the government, pitch it as "Build Canada strong" or some other Liberal horseshit. Is there an aircraft the world needs now or a concept that could be realized in a decade? Just my two pesos.
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I agree, we need to resurrect this skill set and build it up again.
No reason that we can’t partner with a country like Sweden to get the ball rolling again.
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Yup, the same ones using Bombardier planes to make the Globaleye that Germany and France are in the process of buying.
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The things you can accomplish if you have to rely on yourself.
Stick to talking about army kit. You clearly don't know about aircraft.
An unpressurized aircraft is a massive operational compromise for SAR. Especially the way we operate. There were issues with the 295. Still better than the Buff.
The subs are definitely priority. But clearly the government wants to leverage some kind of deeper partnership out of the deal. And not just the government. See VADM Topshee's comments on Canadianization of the whole program. As in Korean or German subs having Canadian tech after the first batch.
On Bombardier, everybody keeps talking about the Globaleye. Meanwhile, I'm looking at the Conformal, which has the potential to actually give the Wedgetail a run for its money. It was bid for the NATO competition. And now a version is getting picked up for its EW role....by the Koreans.
Korean Air edges closer to winning Korean EW aircraft bid
Korean Air and LIG Nex1 have emerged as the highest-scoring bidders in South Korea's electronic warfare aircraft programme, ahead of rivals Korea Aerospace Industries and Hanwha Systems in the W1.8 trillion competition.
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Sort of a break contract, we had already committed to the purchase of the platform and the associated electronic gear and such along with the R&D required for the helo itself. When we reneged on the contract we had to pay for it. The F35 deal may not be all its cracked up to be if LM cant deliver the initial 16 jets as promised on time. Not sure what the specs are on the jets but they have been having issues with the newest promised updates. We will see how this on pans out. Just because money has exchanged hands means little to nothing in this day and age of gov contracts.
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We haven't received any of that announcement yet....
DE Havilland never offered to re-open construction of the Buffalo. The proposal was to develop a pressurized derivative but the competition did not allow for entries that weren't already a proven commodity. Could they have built a better Buffalo? Probably but we will never know and that door is closed. To my mind the C390 would have been a far better choice than the airbus but it too was disqualified because it was still a 'paper' airplane that although flying was still under test.
Still i don’t understand why we didn’t go with C27J that shared some elements (props,engines, glass cockpit) with our C130J’s and has greater speed, range over Kingfisher. Was it cost or PWC engines?
The experience with the Cyclone substantially reduced risk appetite in the RCAF. I don't think you can blame the air force for that.
Also, the Viking/DHC offer was not for a fully pressurized aircraft but for a pressurized bulkhead. And they wanted the government to pay for their NRE. Not exactly a great deal.
Reduced score on Cost and Industrial Benefits couldn't be overcome with their score on performance. And the DND was not allowed to ask for more performance or score performance higher.
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Split with the Typhoon?
The twin engine fans would be content.
AESA radar
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Lots of 70mm APKWS for taking down drones and cruise missiles.
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7 rockets to a pod and three pods to a station. A pair of stations and you have 42 stowed $15000 kills prr aircraft. Along with the usual air to air and air to surface loadout.
The twin engine fans would be content.
AESA radar
British Eurofighter Finally Gets Advanced Swashplate AESA Radar
The long-awaited ECRS Mk 2 radar for the Royal Air Force promises to be a game-changer for the Eurofighter Typhoon.
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Lots of 70mm APKWS for taking down drones and cruise missiles.
Drone-Killing APKWS Laser-Guided Rockets Eyed For Eurofighter Typhoon
The air-to-air optimized variant of the APKWS rocket is being assessed as an option for the Eurofighter Typhoon as concerns over the drone threat in Europe grow. The air-to-air optimized variant of the APKWS rocket is being assessed as an option for the Eurofighter Typhoon, as concerns over the...
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7 rockets to a pod and three pods to a station. A pair of stations and you have 42 stowed $15000 kills prr aircraft. Along with the usual air to air and air to surface loadout.
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Typhoon is problematic. It took the BAE until…now, to finally develop a radar for it that wasn’t mechanically scanned. That is two decades late to need.
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With GCAP full and France looking like it wants to go alone again maybe Sweden, Germany and Spain could use a Canadian partner?
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Assuming the numbers are roughly equal in regards to what is included, a Gripen over 8,000hrs (lifetime of a F35) at $7,000 per flight hour is going to cost 56,000,000 to fly, a F35 at $36,000 is going to cost 288,000,000 in the same timeframe.
You could equip the Snowbirds and 1 other squadron with Gripen's for deployments in more permissive areas and keep the F35's for the higher end stuff. Lets say 25 aircraft total. You could be saving $5,000,000,000 over the 8,000hr lifespan of the aircraft. The fleet would look like 53 xF35 and 25x Gripens. You keep the Snowbirds, which is very much the public face of the RCAF and CAF, get them a modern, combat capable jet if required.
You could equip the Snowbirds and 1 other squadron with Gripen's for deployments in more permissive areas and keep the F35's for the higher end stuff. Lets say 25 aircraft total. You could be saving $5,000,000,000 over the 8,000hr lifespan of the aircraft. The fleet would look like 53 xF35 and 25x Gripens. You keep the Snowbirds, which is very much the public face of the RCAF and CAF, get them a modern, combat capable jet if required.
