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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

Successive Canadian governments have thrown billions at Bombardier and where did it get us? If they or DeHaviland wants government money to support a military product line, how about they come up with something more than a drawing accompanied by a whine that they weren't 'given a chance'. Other than a close-to commercial-off-the-shelf aircraft, like a next generation Twin Otter, what do we need that they could build? Without international sales, our military fleet sizes are too small to be profitable.
Truth be told, I have limited knowledge of the Canadian aircraft design/manufacturing history. I know there has been booddogglery

I have limited knowledge on aircraft (I am the dude that rides in them not fixes or flies them). Somehow, we had innovators that brought us the canuck, the arrow idea, caribou, buffalo, otter and twin otter, etc. We had the now how and the means to do it.

What I would like to see, is a genuine effort on part of the industry to draft up like a 10-15 year plan to get back in the game. Make a proposal to the government, pitch it as "Build Canada strong" or some other Liberal horseshit. Is there an aircraft the world needs now or a concept that could be realized in a decade? Just my two pesos.
 
Truth be told, I have limited knowledge of the Canadian aircraft design/manufacturing history. I know there has been booddogglery

I have limited knowledge on aircraft (I am the dude that rides in them not fixes or flies them). Somehow, we had innovators that brought us the canuck, the arrow idea, caribou, buffalo, otter and twin otter, etc. We had the now how and the means to do it.

What I would like to see, is a genuine effort on part of the industry to draft up like a 10-15 year plan to get back in the game. Make a proposal to the government, pitch it as "Build Canada strong" or some other Liberal horseshit. Is there an aircraft the world needs now or a concept that could be realized in a decade? Just my two pesos.
I agree, we need to resurrect this skill set and build it up again.
No reason that we can’t partner with a country like Sweden to get the ball rolling again.
 
Does Carney's version include 12 subs? How about committing to Globaleye with SAAB and adding to the production run for Bombardier?

The subs are definitely priority. But clearly the government wants to leverage some kind of deeper partnership out of the deal. And not just the government. See VADM Topshee's comments on Canadianization of the whole program. As in Korean or German subs having Canadian tech after the first batch.

On Bombardier, everybody keeps talking about the Globaleye. Meanwhile, I'm looking at the Conformal, which has the potential to actually give the Wedgetail a run for its money. It was bid for the NATO competition. And now a version is getting picked up for its EW role....by the Koreans.

 
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There’s a difference.
One had a break contract fee and the other is that we’ve paid in full for 16.
Sort of a break contract, we had already committed to the purchase of the platform and the associated electronic gear and such along with the R&D required for the helo itself. When we reneged on the contract we had to pay for it. The F35 deal may not be all its cracked up to be if LM cant deliver the initial 16 jets as promised on time. Not sure what the specs are on the jets but they have been having issues with the newest promised updates. We will see how this on pans out. Just because money has exchanged hands means little to nothing in this day and age of gov contracts.
 
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