Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[GK .Dundas]

Where did this myth appear that's he's not already punishing the hell out of us economically?

Quite frankly I'm not too sure that the threat of real nuclear weapons wouldn't be off the table as a negotiation tool if we even gave a hint of giving China some sort of deal.
We're dealing with someone who still negotiates like a slum lord dealing with uppity tenants.

 

[Altair]

Quite frankly I'm not too sure that the threat of real nuclear weapons wouldn't be off the table as a negotiation tool if we even gave a hint of giving China some sort of deal.
We're dealing with someone who still negotiates like a slum lord dealing with uppity tenants.

Listen, if it's a case of China being given some sort of preferential deal over American automakers, fair enough.

If it's a case of the USA saying that the American automakers will not make cars in Canada, period, then Canada should be allowed, hell, Canada IS allowed to seek alternatives.

If Americans want to keep Canada in the fold, they cannot be cutting one of our key industries off at the knees.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Listen, if it's a case of China being given some sort of preferential deal over American automakers, fair enough.

If it's a case of the USA saying that the American automakers will not make cars in Canada, period, then Canada should be allowed, hell, Canada IS allowed to seek alternatives.

If Americans want to keep Canada in the fold, they cannot be cutting one of our key industries off at the knees.

The objection to China isn't what the US might do.

The objection to China is what China has done, does, and will do.

There's no point fretting about Chinese foreign interference in our elections if we're going to invite them to become even more of a major economic player in our country than they already are.

If we want alternatives, invite Europeans. That the Chinese might offer great deals should just be taken as their attempts to get the camel's nose further into the tent.

 

[suffolkowner]

interesting points. If BYD wanted to assemble cars in Canada could we restrict them?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

interesting points. If BYD wanted to assemble cars in Canada could we restrict them?

Yes. It would face a FISA review.

 

[brihard]

Yes. It would face a FISA review.

You’re thinking of ICA, the Investment Canada Act. FISA’s a U.S. statute, unless you’re thinking the renamed Foreign Interference and Security of Information Act- but FISOIA / FISI (the new post-SOIA acronym doesn’t seem to have settled yet) doesn’t deal with economic investment review.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Better idea, drop canola tariff or we cut thermal coal exports. See how happy the average Chinese citizen is when they cant heat their home this winter

China buys its coal from multiple suppliers, namely Australia and Russia. Canada is small potatoes.

 

[Altair]

The objection to China isn't what the US might do.

The objection to China is what China has done, does, and will do.

There's no point fretting about Chinese foreign interference in our elections if we're going to invite them to become even more of a major economic player in our country than they already are.

If we want alternatives, invite Europeans. That the Chinese might offer great deals should just be taken as their attempts to get the camel's nose further into the tent.

If the Europeans want in, with their automakers, and are willing to take over if Ford and GM pull up stakes, power to them. They would be my first choice. But would they? And if Trump leaned on them, would those governments stand firm or buckle?

I'm not saying hey, lets buddy up with China because they are the best choice, I'm saying that if they are the only choice, beggars cannot be choosers.

Americans>Europeans>Chinese

Americans are signalling they want to destroy our auto plants.

Europeans may or may not be interested.

Chinese may be interested.

Those are our 3 options, scratching one off from the get go is not wise.

 

[Maxman1]

There might be some openings on the horizon... or not

China will remove canola tariffs if Canada scraps EV levies: ambassador​

China will remove canola tariffs if Canada scraps EV levies: ambassador

China will remove its tariffs on Canadian agriculture — including on canola products — if Canada scraps its levies on Chinese electric vehicles, that country’s ambassador says.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[MilEME09]

China buys its coal from multiple suppliers, namely Australia and Russia. Canada is small potatoes.

Thermal yes, metallurgical no, 10.5 million tons a year ain't peanuts

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm not saying hey, lets buddy up with China because they are the best choice, I'm saying that if they are the only choice, beggars cannot be choosers.

We absolutely can choose. We have essentially denied them access to our telecomm industry. We can do the same with autos, which are also highly computer-enabled.

Those are our 3 options, scratching one off from the get go is not wise.

It is if they're a security risk, and they've proven themselves to be a security risk.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Thermal yes, metallurgical no, 10.5 million tons a year ain't peanuts

And they like Canada's coal better

China Shuns Low-Grade Coal From Indonesia as Imports Collapse​

• China's coal imports plunged 26% from last year to 33 million tons, led by a 30% drop from top supplier Indonesia.
• Indonesia bore the brunt of the decline due to Chinese power plants shifting away from lower-quality fuel, with local pricing agency cqcoal.com saying "imports are likely to remain on a downtrend" as power plants prioritize domestic miners.
• The decline in coal imports is attributed to record local production and a shift towards better-quality supplies, with the government in Jakarta considering export levies on coal, which will weaken the fuel's attractiveness for buyers in China.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-23/china-shuns-low-grade-coal-from-indonesia-as-imports-collapse

 

[suffolkowner]

Thermal yes, metallurgical no, 10.5 million tons a year ain't peanuts

the tonnage is probably more important to us then to china

Google says China imports 121 million tons and 352 million tons total

 

[Jarnhamar]

I think people need to get away from thinking that things will go back to what it may have been and accept that we will be living in a new world reality.

Completely agree. The weirdo idea that Carney was going to wipe the floor with Trump and put him in his place making Canada come out on top of a trade war with the US was wild. It worked during the election though so there's that.

 

[brihard]

Completely agree. The weirdo idea that Carney was going to wipe the floor with Trump and put him in his place making Canada come out on top of a trade war with the US was wild. It worked during the election though so there's that.

Yeah, that was never a realistic notion. Economically speaking a trump is a rogue actor. Gems ideologically committed to choices that betray his macroeconomic illiteracy. He’s making choices that, big picture, are bad for American consumers and businesses. But he’s making those choices (largely long-discredited mercantilist/protectionist ones) because they play well politically in the short term to some people who are keen to wave the flag but. Or at all keen to crack open an economics textbook. It’s the epitome of short term thinking.

You cannot ‘wipe the floor’ with someone like that. You can manage the problem as best you can, and try to mitigate harm and shape what you’re able.

Carney’s advantage vis a vis Trump, over anyone else who might have been leading our government, is that Carney is an unquestionably prominent and successful ‘money guy’. He can speak very fluently the language that Trump imagines himself speaking. He also has quite a bit of influence with other world financial leaders in building coordinated responses to American irrationality. And because he has a solid grasp of macroeconomics, he’s well poised to understand the impacts of various U.S. policy choices on Canada’s economy without having to have it explained to him. That’s a good thing.

But Trump will do what Trump will do and there’s not a lot we can do to curb that save for playing to his personal vanity and speaking the language of deals to try to mitigate harm. Some storms you just have to ride out and hope you have someone who knows their stuff at the helm.

 

[PuckChaser]

 

[Rifleman62]

BC Ferries: whose electronics are part of the build? Ours or theirs? Ours, we ship them, they copy, possible security issue.

Just wait, there will be operating problems plus China will control traffic to and from.

I Don't trust the Chinese government (or Eby).

 

[Remius]

Completely agree. The weirdo idea that Carney was going to wipe the floor with Trump and put him in his place making Canada come out on top of a trade war with the US was wild. It worked during the election though so there's that.

I’m curious if there was any serious talk about wiping the floor with trump vs being the best candidate to deal with Trump. I recall the latter not the former.

What worked in the election was Carney being better suited than PP to deal with Trump.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney’s advantage vis a vis Trump, over anyone else who might have been leading our government, is that Carney is an unquestionably prominent and successful ‘money guy’. He can speak very fluently the language that Trump imagines himself speaking. He also has quite a bit of influence with other world financial leaders in building coordinated responses to American irrationality. And because he has a solid grasp of macroeconomics, he’s well poised to understand the impacts of various U.S. policy choices on Canada’s economy without having to have it explained to him. That’s a good thing.

Exactly. Carney brings credibility and technical fluency that few politicians can match, especially when dealing with someone like Trump who measures power in financial terms. The real question is whether that expertise translates into political instincts strong enough to navigate the populism and unpredictability that come with US and now especially Trump politics.
But the idea Canadians convinced themselves of? Bananas.

 

[Kirkhill]

Exactly. Carney brings credibility and technical fluency that few politicians can match, especially when dealing with someone like Trump who measures power in financial terms. The real question is whether that expertise translates into political instincts strong enough to navigate the populism and unpredictability that come with US and now especially Trump politics.
But the idea Canadians convinced themselves of? Bananas.

Some folks make better Chiefs of Staff than leaders, better XOs than COs.