Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

This isn't a conversation. It is nonstop screed with every indication that there is little point in engaging in.

Yell on good sir. Volume is a great substitution for substantive discussion

Whatever. Just admit you can't refute what I said.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I admit that there is no point in refuting anything you say because for you

 

[brihard]

Where you cast your vote, is what matters and what counts. And its who you actually SUPPORT. Period, its where a discussion ends on that.

This overly simplistic view utterly ignores the reality of strategic voting where one’s preferred party may not have a chance in one’s riding, but of the two parties that ARE in contention for a riding, there’s a party one would distinctly prefer to not see win. So a vote is cast for the less disfavored viable contender in lieu of ‘throwing away’ a vote for a top preference who cannot win. Case in point, the disappearing NDP support last election divided between both LPC and CPC, and in a lot of cases it would be fair to say an NDP supporter voted LPC so as to not get stuck with a CPC government, or voted CPC so as to not get stuck with an LPC government. Doesn’t mean they really support who they voted for/who won, but they had to hold their nose and vote against something worse.

It also ignores that for some voters, the particular candidate a given party runs in their riding may matter enough to sway their vote either to or away from that candidate despite party. A vote can be a repudiation of who’t get voted for as much as or more than an expression of support for who does. A bad enough individual candidate can be sufficiently intolerable to some voters that it overrides what would otherwise be their party preference and who they actually support. This could happen where who forms government is up for grabs and the individual riding could really matter in the big picture, or where which party will win is pretty much already a sure thing and the individual riding doesn’t matter much.

 

[Altair]

This overly simplistic view utterly ignores the reality of strategic voting where one’s preferred party may not have a chance in one’s riding, but of the two parties that ARE in contention for a riding, there’s a party one would distinctly prefer to not see win. So a vote is cast for the less disfavored viable contender in lieu of ‘throwing away’ a vote for a top preference who cannot win. Case in point, the disappearing NDP support last election divided between both LPC and CPC, and in a lot of cases it would be fair to say an NDP supporter voted LPC so as to not get stuck with a CPC government, or voted CPC so as to not get stuck with an LPC government. Doesn’t mean they really support who they voted for/who won, but they had to hold their nose and vote against something worse.

It also ignores that for some voters, the particular candidate a given party runs in their riding may matter enough to sway their vote either to or away from that candidate despite party. A vote can be a repudiation of who’t get voted for as much as or more than an expression of support for who does. A bad enough individual candidate can be sufficiently intolerable to some voters that it overrides what would otherwise be their party preference and who they actually support. This could happen where who forms government is up for grabs and the individual riding could really matter in the big picture, or where which party will win is pretty much already a sure thing and the individual riding doesn’t matter much.

You would have an easier time arguing with a wall, but your effort is appreciated.

 

[Quirky]

If only people would remember these things when each new round of hand-outs is proposed.

How's that $15B for EV-related things going?

Excellent!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978505433024217163

 

[Navy_Pete]

Since the varied bailouts of North American car companies in 2008-ish, I've opted not to buy North American vehicles anymore....I figure I've bought a couple already with the taxpayer money they've gotten.

Mileage I got out of that was crap, so I have stuck with Honda/Toyota since then.

I went with a Subaru, which I'm really happy with, and is great in snow, gravel, and similar unpaved side roads. Nice alternative for people that don't need a pickup truck for the cargo, but don't want to kill a normal sedan going camping.

My daughter thinks this is hilarious, and was making comments about it being the car of choice for lesbians, which I figured was some kind of gen Alpha meme thing, then fell down a weird rabbit hole discovering it is actually a thing from the 80s/90s.

How Subarus Became the Car for Lesbians

Trying to negotiate with the dealer was a waste of time; they sell them faster then they can stock them, which is I guess a good sign.

 

[Remius]

Your not keeping up with the conversation.

Oh I am. It’s turning into a train wreck and you are the conductor.

@Czech_pivo said he SUPPORTS Carney as Prime Minister but last election voted the CPC candidate in his riding.

That is NOT supporting Carney, at all. Period.

He supported Pierre and the CPC, period.

When the vote is counted, no one gives a shit about your reasons or feelings. No one.

I am still right on this specific issue. And reading all the bullshit meandering sideways, half baked explanations is hilarious at this point.

Again. One dimensional thinking on your part.

I’m sure you are always right in your little Lego village you have built free of all that nonsense called discourse.

 

[Remius]

I went with a Subaru, which I'm really happy with, and is great in snow, gravel, and similar unpaved side roads. Nice alternative for people that don't need a pickup truck for the cargo, but don't want to kill a normal sedan going camping.

My daughter thinks this is hilarious, and was making comments about it being the car of choice for lesbians, which I figured was some kind of gen Alpha meme thing, then fell down a weird rabbit hole discovering it is actually a thing from the 80s/90s.

How Subarus Became the Car for Lesbians

Trying to negotiate with the dealer was a waste of time; they sell them faster then they can stock them, which is I guess a good sign.

I have two Nissans. Had a Toyota before that and Hondas. No complaints.

 

[Altair]

Excellent!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978505433024217163

As a general rule, don't believe people who type in all caps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978515605989781922

 

[Navy_Pete]

It appears you are easily triggered. Step back for a moment and think it through. This is way beyond America being mean because Trump. Have you considered the Americans are cognizant they are no longer in a fiscal position to afford what they've been paying all along and that one function of the "trade war" is to put pressure on everyone else to pay more? Have you also considered the nature of threats in the world and do you think it prudent for "the west" to rely on big daddy America, or should these rich G7s shoulder some of that burden and the whole alliance is stronger for it?

Pay more for what exactly?

Their bailout of Argentina? Foreign bases they maintain to project American imperialism?

America isn't 'paying' for anybody else, they spend a lot of money to buy influence with soft power and project hard power for American interest, full stop. If they were a reliable ally, they wouldn't have been years late to both world wars.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Excellent!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978505433024217163

I call BS on the Windsor facility. It's just been given its final occupancy permit. It and the St Thomas facilities will result in between 5-6,000 new direct jobs.

EDIT:

According to the chart - of the total amount listed under 'Total Government Support', the 2 largest projects are BOTH moving forward, with one receiving its final occupancy and the other going through its first round of hiring now.

TO ALL of us on here - if you're going to post charts, figures, outside information on here, its YOUR responsibility to post accurate information. Adding to all the current crap that is our external media today in terms of shoddy, incomplete, misleading, inaccurate information doesn't help anyone here.

 

[Altair]

I call BS on the Windsor facility. It's just been given its final occupancy permit. It and the St Thomas facilities will result in between 5-6,000 new direct jobs.

People are getting their news from idiots on Twitter.

It's a shame really.

 

[ArmyRick]

Oh I am. It’s turning into a train wreck and you are the conductor.

Again. One dimensional thinking on your part.

I’m sure you are always right in your little Lego village you have built free of all that nonsense called discourse.

We can discuss all we want about who we like, we want to support, which party should be rewarded and who should be punished.

Saying you SUPPORT Prime Minister from Party X but you vote for candidate from party Y in you local riding doesn't make sense to me.

If I supported Pierre Poilievre (CPC) to be the PM of Canada last election, I casted my vote for Alex Ruff of the CPC in order to support Pierre as PM. I didn't vote for Pierre and then say I supported Liz May. Your vote = your support. How is that hard to understand?

It really is that simple.

Elections Canada doesn't tally up feelings, discourse, opinions, nuances, slogans, etc. They count legible ballots. Thats it. So enough with the phony intellectual academic BS.

Deeds not words.

Edit. If you support an independent, then its the one time I would say you do not support any party or someone for PM.

 

[HavokFour]

As a general rule, don't believe people who type in all caps.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978515605989781922

Also, an account that openly advertises you can pay them to tweet or retweet stuff. X is ground zero for foreign interference.

https://collabstr.com/tablesalt?ref=t

 

[Altair]

Also, an account that openly advertises you can pay them to tweet. X is ground zero for foreign interference.

https://collabstr.com/tablesalt?ref=t

Getting news off of Twitter talking heads is dumb enough on the surface of it. To advertise that one is getting their news from Twitter talking heads with no shame is somehow worse, but here we are.

Social media is a ceasepool, filled with lies and half-truths, bots and foreign agents who want nothing more than to sow discourse in the west.

Yet, due to the wild wild west attitude people have towards the internet, we have entered the age of whoever says something you like on the internet is simply passed on as news.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney is truly the better person over PP in the role of PM. I'm NOT talking about past party crap by the Liberals or the Conservatives, but a straight up credentials comparison - with political party affiliation put aside.

Without benevolent intent having really great credentials just make you a better villan.

Carney knows the gun ban is a big waste of tax payer money but he's doing it to shut Quebec up. Economically that does not make sense. Quebec is the 2nd largest province by population and only 6th in GDP.

Credentials are only as good as the person behind then.

 

[Altair]

Without benevolent intent having really great credentials just make you a better villan.

Carney knows the gun ban is a big waste of tax payer money but he's doing it to shut Quebec up. Economically that does not make sense. Quebec is the 2nd largest province by population and obly 6th in GDP.

Credentials are only as good as the person behind then.

Quebec is second.

Who the hell did you have before Quebec?

Ontario, sure.

Alberta? 3rd, by some margin, but whatever, I can see that...somehow.

BC, sure, see Alberta.

But after that? Who? Saskatchewan?Manitoba? These two have smaller GDP than Montreal!

 

[Czech_pivo]

We can discuss all we want about who we like, we want to support, which party should be rewarded and who should be punished.

Saying you SUPPORT Prime Minister from Party X but you vote for candidate from party Y in you local riding doesn't make sense to me.

If I supported Pierre Poilievre (CPC) to be the PM of Canada last election, I casted my vote for Alex Ruff of the CPC in order to support Pierre as PM. I didn't vote for Pierre and then say I supported Liz May. Your vote = your support. How is that hard to understand?

It really is that simple.

Elections Canada doesn't tally up feelings, discourse, opinions, nuances, slogans, etc. They count legible ballots. Thats it. So enough with the phony intellectual academic BS.

Deeds not words.

Edit. If you support an independent, then its the one time I would say you do not support any party or someone for PM.

ArmyRick, I do understand your argument because under our current Parliamentary system this is really how it works......But this thinking is like some of the examples that have occurred in the US, please read article below, where the voters were so pigheaded in their voting only for party X and not party Y has lead to dead people actually being elected.

Its the same approach to me. I will never vote for Party X because I hate their leader or their platform, even though my local candidate is actually dead or a convicted felon or a use tool. It defies logic to vote like this.

Full list of dead people who won their elections on Tuesday

The dead win elections more often than you think.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

Without benevolent intent having really great credentials just make you a better villan.

Carney knows the gun ban is a big waste of tax payer money but he's doing it to shut Quebec up. Economically that does not make sense. Quebec is the 2nd largest province by population and only 6th in GDP.

Credentials are only as good as the person behind then.

Understood.
Sometimes pet projects are allowed to continue by top management in order to pacific some dissenters and to keep the bigger deliverables on track and moving forward.
That is all that I can say on this.

 

[RangerRay]

I went with a Subaru, which I'm really happy with, and is great in snow, gravel, and similar unpaved side roads. Nice alternative for people that don't need a pickup truck for the cargo, but don't want to kill a normal sedan going camping.

My daughter thinks this is hilarious, and was making comments about it being the car of choice for lesbians, which I figured was some kind of gen Alpha meme thing, then fell down a weird rabbit hole discovering it is actually a thing from the 80s/90s.

How Subarus Became the Car for Lesbians

Trying to negotiate with the dealer was a waste of time; they sell them faster then they can stock them, which is I guess a good sign.

I guess I’m a lesbian then…