FWSAR (CC130H, Buffalo, C27J, V22): Status & Possibilities

[YZT580]

I recall a very few times in Ontario when RCC assisted with an inland/GSAR incident. Typically, it was when hoisting was required. OPP helicopters aren't equipped or certified for hoisting and I'm not aware of any civilian assets that are. As I recall. the response was much faster than the traditional 'aid of the civil power' route but I don't know the mechanism or channels.



The reality is the high incident areas imply population density and positioning emergency assets further away would politically unpalatable and possibly seen as a liability risk. It could also raise costs since multiple responses from further away would be more costly.

It is also a matter of jurisdiction. As pointed out, federal and provincial responsibilities differ.

Expensive and highly specialized assets simply can't be everywhere. It might be nice to have a SAR base in Iqaluit but they will be sitting on the hands getting rusty while the world moves around them.

Was it Kingston where they were fortunately on a training mission and ended up plucking a fellow from the top of a burning highrise? Great job.

 

[DBNSG]

Was it Kingston where they were fortunately on a training mission and ended up plucking a fellow from the top of a burning highrise? Great job.

It was actually the end of the construction crane boom above the burning building. Remarkable feat of nerves, patience and talent.

 

[lenaitch]

Which is why I was wondering about splitting the difference and moving the centres to Yellowknife and Churchill for example.

From where? Here's the current deployment. Keep in mind the Great Lakes, and all their commercial and recreational marine traffic generated by roughly 59 Mn people (well, I guess not counting Lake Michigan), as well as both coasts, are a federal responsibility.

Was it Kingston where they were fortunately on a training mission and ended up plucking a fellow from the top of a burning highrise? Great job.

It was, but not one of the ones I was thinking of. I'm recalling incidents in the Algonquin/eastern Ontario area; but again, not many.

 

[suffolkowner]

incident distribution

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[YZT580]

From where? Here's the current deployment. Keep in mind the Great Lakes, and all their commercial and recreational marine traffic generated by roughly 59 Mn people (well, I guess not counting Lake Michigan), as well as both coasts, are a federal responsibility.


It was, but not one of the ones I was thinking of. I'm recalling incidents in the Algonquin/eastern Ontario area; but again, not many.

but the Great Lakes have both American and Canadian Coast Guard detachments throughout both of which are available to boaters simply with a radio call. Most of the Aviation calls around the Lakes at least from my experience in working the a/c through, were accidentally triggered ELTs as opposed to significant events requiring someone to go look for them. Just saying there are a lot of options out there that are closer than Trenton.

 

[ytz]

It is useful, at this point, to remind everyone, that the CAF is responsible to handle to two types of SAR events:

Events involving aircraft (aviation SAR)

Events involving boats and ships (maritime SAR)

Events that involve lost hikers (Ground SAR) or medevacs (that aren’t caused by aviation or maritime events) are the responsibility of the Provinces to solve.

Also different life expectancies. Water makes the numbers grim always. Response has to be quick

 

[daftandbarmy]

It is useful, at this point, to remind everyone, that the CAF is responsible to handle to two types of SAR events:

Events involving aircraft (aviation SAR)

Events involving boats and ships (maritime SAR)

Events that involve lost hikers (Ground SAR) or medevacs (that aren’t caused by aviation or maritime events) are the responsibility of the Provinces to solve.

What about RCMSAR?

My brother-in-law volunteered with the West Van crew...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

What about RCMSAR?

My brother-in-law volunteered with the West Van crew...

What about them? They are not CAF.

They come from the old Coast Guard Auxiliary and only exist in BC.

I was merely trying to remind everyone, as they debate the role of FWSAR, which part of SAR the CAF is responsible to do.

 

[daftandbarmy]

What about them? They are not CAF.

They come from the old Coast Guard Auxiliary and only exist in BC.

I was merely trying to remind everyone, as they debate the role of FWSAR, which part of SAR the CAF is responsible to do.

So where does the RCMSAR/CAF responsibility divide exist on the water, if there is one?

I really have no idea. As a potential 'customer' it just piques my interest

 

[Blackadder1916]

So where does the RCMSAR/CAF responsibility divide exist on the water, if there is one?

I really have no idea. As a potential 'customer' it just piques my interest

There is no "division" of responsibility. The Coast Guard has primary responsibility for maritime SAR and like the CAF (who has responsibility for air SAR and providing aviation resources to maritime incidents) exercise control through Joint Rescue Coordination Centres (for BC, the one in Victoria).

Who We Are - RCMSAR

rcmsar.com

Through an agreement with the Canadian Coast Guard we are called out to marine emergencies by the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Victoria. We are also available to provide support for on the water humanitarian aid when called upon by provincial authorities. . . .

 

[daftandbarmy]

There is no "division" of responsibility. The Coast Guard has primary responsibility for maritime SAR and like the CAF (who has responsibility for air SAR and providing aviation resources to maritime incidents) exercise control through Joint Rescue Coordination Centres (for BC, the one in Victoria).

Who We Are - RCMSAR

rcmsar.com

Of course, the JRCC... thanks.