Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

[Lumber]

@Lumber I did a tour on an AB as the A/EO along with the C.Eng and some of the Cert 2s and 3s; made the mistake of asking their EO a technical question, then ended up just talking to their techs. It was weird for us to figure out what that meant for them, and I think they found it weird that our NTOs were actual engineers that genuinely knew stuff so could have called them out.

It was kind of funny as I think both sides were glad that we each operated the way we do and not the other way around, so guess a lot of it is what you are used to. Some days would have loved to just be a divO though lol.

Things like that, and generally their focus on specialization at a certain job vice our more generalist approach though drives such a massive change in basic ship design and crew sizes though that the AEGIS system selection is really creating an issue.

If you go on teams, you can find the trip report for a visit that the OA team did aboard the USS Lassen...wait... Was that you? Anyways, it reiterated everything I generally knew about the crew structure aboard an AB. However, a few insights were especially enlightening. To wit, that while the operator/maintainers were very proud of the work they did it maintainers their kit, they 1. We're exhausted because in addition to standing watches, they also had to do first line maintenance in their off watches. This was especially true alongside, as they were the personnel doing both repairs and routine maintenance on their kit alongside. And 2. They didn't spend enough time on actual operator training because they had to spend so much time on maintenance activities, and so they felt they weren't all that good at their core job as radar operators or tactical Coordinators, etc.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Irving CEO is likely jacking off in the in the executive bathroom to the thought of landing a Golden Fleece USN contract...

He already has that with NSS. The gift that keeps giving. Fleecing the taxpayers since 2011. Build the 9 Hero’s. Get a bucket of money from N.S. to build new facilities. Build 6 AOPS over budget. Cry that they will lay off till CSC can be built. Given contract for 2 more AOPS for CCG. Demand more money. CCG AOPS cost more than RCN. Given contract for 3 CSC price keeps going up. Given additional federal money to ‘fix’ their facilities to enable delivery sooner. No guarantees. Skilled negotiators in the government, I must say.

 

[Czech_pivo]

He already has that with NSS. The gift that keeps giving. Fleecing the taxpayers since 2011. Build the 9 Hero’s. Get a bucket of money from N.S. to build new facilities. Build 6 AOPS over budget. Cry that they will lay off till CSC can be built. Given contract for 2 more AOPS for CCG. Demand more money. CCG AOPS cost more than RCN. Given contract for 3 CSC price keeps going up. Given additional federal money to ‘fix’ their facilities to enable delivery sooner. No guarantees. Skilled negotiators in the government, I must say.

We point fingers at the Americans and their pork barrel politics and laugh at them. You look at what the Irving family has managed to do over the last 15yrs with the NSS and the sheer amount of free money they've been given, its no real difference than the US. They talk in billions while we talk in hundred of millions but that's about it.

 

[Navy_Pete]

If you go on teams, you can find the trip report for a visit that the OA team did aboard the USS Lassen...wait... Was that you? Anyways, it reiterated everything I generally knew about the crew structure aboard an AB. However, a few insights were especially enlightening. To wit, that while the operator/maintainers were very proud of the work they did it maintainers their kit, they 1. We're exhausted because in addition to standing watches, they also had to do first line maintenance in their off watches. This was especially true alongside, as they were the personnel doing both repairs and routine maintenance on their kit alongside. And 2. They didn't spend enough time on actual operator training because they had to spend so much time on maintenance activities, and so they felt they weren't all that good at their core job as radar operators or tactical Coordinators, etc.

That wasn't me; we just popped by a ship in the TG about 15 years ago. I've mostly been matrixed into PMOs for the last 5 years for support, including combat recoverability review.

Lot of it people focus just on the ship, but from doing that for years now you really need to consider the actual design, people, their skill sets and SOPs. The RN concept is pretty solid, but their 'suitably qualified and experienced personnel' (SQEP) includes HTs at the PO1, PO2, MS and S1 levels as part of the section base backbone. Without SQEP all the assumptions in the design falls apart, and doesn't really matter what your SOPs are if you can't execute.

 

[DBNSG]

We point fingers at the Americans and their pork barrel politics and laugh at them. You look at what the Irving family has managed to do over the last 15yrs with the NSS and the sheer amount of free money they've been given, its no real difference than the US. They talk in billions while we talk in hundred of millions but that's about it.

The Irvings also recently purchased another Pulp and Paper Mill. In Georgia USA.

 

[DBNSG]

Trolling the US

https://twitter.com/x/status/1993445747933823463

Well Trump and company just bought a Canadian designed Ice Breaker .

 

[Lumber]

That wasn't me; we just popped by a ship in the TG about 15 years ago. I've mostly been matrixed into PMOs for the last 5 years for support, including combat recoverability review.

Lot of it people focus just on the ship, but from doing that for years now you really need to consider the actual design, people, their skill sets and SOPs. The RN concept is pretty solid, but their 'suitably qualified and experienced personnel' (SQEP) includes HTs at the PO1, PO2, MS and S1 levels as part of the section base backbone. Without SQEP all the assumptions in the design falls apart, and doesn't really matter what your SOPs are if you can't execute.

Part of the problem, at least from my admittedly uninformed view, is that the RCD PMO give almost no shits (if not entirely no shits) about the 2nd and third order consequences of their design decisions (hello, AEGIS). Their priority is delivering the widget, and that's all (the widget here being the RCD).