New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[DBNSG]

i was thinking it would be a benefit although Sydney is not exactly a metropolis

No Sydney is slowly melting away but never underestimate Cape Breton Home sickness especially if a Caper can get great work for the last years before retirement.

 

[Nvlgzr]

9x210=1890
2x200=400
6x65=390
11x50=550
3230

FIFY
Topshee said he needs a minimum of 20 surface combatants. I’m sure the politicians heard: “We only need 20 surface combatants “.

 

[Nvlgzr]

was that an official announcement or just the local MP trying to impress his constituents. I read it as suggesting that Sydney was in the running not that it was a done deal

I had the same thoughts. To me it doesn’t make sense especially in light of Newdock in St. John’s improvements.

 

[suffolkowner]

I had the same thoughts. To me it doesn’t make sense especially in light of Newdock in St. John’s improvements.

maybe not done, done but i didnt see mention of anything else

Canadian Coast Guard advances planning for the future polar icebreakers maintenance port in Sydney, Nova Scotia - Canada.ca

Today, Mike Kelloway, Member of Parliament for Sydney-Glace Bay and Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport and Internal Trade, on behalf of the Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, announced Sydney, Nova Scotia, as the preferred location to explore the...

www.canada.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

Just a minor point, the number of VLS cells matter les than the capability of the sensors to detect and target what you want to engage.

What are the Mogami class giving up to have more launchers, less expense, and less crew?

But aren't the sensors on board F35s and satellites?

The missiles of the Nuclear triad aren't collocated with their sensors. And isn't the CEC predicated on off-board sensors?

 

[Furniture]

But aren't the sensors on board F35s and satellites?

The missiles of the Nuclear triad aren't collocated with their sensors. And isn't the CEC predicated on off-board sensors?

What presumes you're operating in a permissive environment against dudes in manjams. A peer enemy could deny or degrade your connections to those other sensors.

When you have the required sensors integrated into the ship, the only way for the enemy to deny or degrade you sensors is through direct contact.

 

[Kirkhill]

What presumes you're operating in a permissive environment against dudes in manjams. A peer enemy could deny or degrade your connections to those other sensors.

When you have the required sensors integrated into the ship, the only way for the enemy to deny or degrade you sensors is through direct contact.

Are we sure that those systems are just designed for dealing with the Maduros of the world? I thought that much of the current effort was to develop Long Range Precision Fires based on remote targeting?

How useful are the Arleigh Burke's sensors in targeting their Tomahawks? Or the Ohio SSGNs? Isn't that part of the reason the US Army has been interested in Bombardier's Global 6500s?

 

[Furniture]

Are we sure that those systems are just designed for dealing with the Maduros of the world? I thought that much of the current effort was to develop Long Range Precision Fires based on remote targeting?

How useful are the Arleigh Burke's sensors in targeting their Tomahawks? Or the Ohio SSGNs? Isn't that part of the reason the US Army has been interested in Bombardier's Global 6500s?

They are all parts of a system, but just like bombers changed war in WWII. They added to the other systems rather than replace them. Data links, and remote targeting add to capabilities, they don't replace capabilities.

Without going into details, in my last job people spent a lot of time talking about operating in Denied, Degraded, Intermittent, and Limited (DDIL) environments. They didn't do that for no reason.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Likely helped along by the hot and humid conditions in the US south.

Healthy 18-year-old welder nearly died of anthrax—the 9th such puzzling case

Welder's Anthrax" was first coined in 2022, when seven cases had been identified.

arstechnica.com

 

[Underway]

They are all parts of a system, but just like bombers changed war in WWII. They added to the other systems rather than replace them. Data links, and remote targeting add to capabilities, they don't replace capabilities.

Without going into details, in my last job people spent a lot of time talking about operating in Denied, Degraded, Intermittent, and Limited (DDIL) environments. They didn't do that for no reason.

*Russian bear...

 

[Rjgillies]

was that an official announcement or just the local MP trying to impress his constituents. I read it as suggesting that Sydney was in the running not that it was a done deal

From the press release. Strongly suggests a done deal

"on behalf of the Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, announced Sydney, Nova Scotia, as the preferred location to explore the maintenance port for the Canadian Coast Guard’s future polar icebreakers"

Canadian Coast Guard advances planning for the future polar icebreakers maintenance port in Sydney, Nova Scotia - Canada.ca

Today, Mike Kelloway, Member of Parliament for Sydney-Glace Bay and Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport and Internal Trade, on behalf of the Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, announced Sydney, Nova Scotia, as the preferred location to explore the...

www.canada.ca

 

[YZT580]

From the press release. Strongly suggests a done deal

"on behalf of the Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, announced Sydney, Nova Scotia, as the preferred location to explore the maintenance port for the Canadian Coast Guard’s future polar icebreakers"

Canadian Coast Guard advances planning for the future polar icebreakers maintenance port in Sydney, Nova Scotia - Canada.ca

Today, Mike Kelloway, Member of Parliament for Sydney-Glace Bay and Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport and Internal Trade, on behalf of the Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, announced Sydney, Nova Scotia, as the preferred location to explore the...

www.canada.ca

I suppose it makes good sense as Cape Breton is at the main entry point to the Gulf but I wonder, are you better to start where the ice is i.e. the river itself or steam towards the start of the ice. I am totally not familiar with ice anywhere but in whiskey, skating rinks and Georgian Bay

 

[DBNSG]

I suppose it makes good sense as Cape Breton is at the main entry point to the Gulf but I wonder, are you better to start where the ice is i.e. the river itself or steam towards the start of the ice. I am totally not familiar with ice anywhere but in whiskey, skating rinks and Georgian Bay

North Sydney is where the Ferries that supply Newfoundland are based and land for contact with the mainland.
All the Ferries are Ice Strengthened and Coast Guard Breakers have been known to come up from Halifax or Newf to help if need be. I think the Synergy of having an Ice breaker under refit with the future Officers at the Coast Guard academy just around the block will provide some on the job experience..

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

So long as everybody remembers that the Coast Guard Academy is just another specialized community college, not an indoctrination operation, like Venture or CFRLS St-Jean. It only addresses itself to the officers of the Coast Guard, and only trains them to become marine officers to civilian standards. In fact it provides them with the training to obtain their civilian licenses. There is no leadership training and very little in terms of Coast Guard specific administration or operations training.

In fact the officers who would get the most "Coast Guard" training are the one choosing the Communications and Traffic Control branch (it's closed now for the foreseeable future - no need for personnel at this time), and yet they are the ones with the lowest amount of actual marine training.

 

[Lumber]

So long as everybody remembers that the Coast Guard Academy is just another specialized community college, not an indoctrination operation, like Venture or CFRLS St-Jean. It only addresses itself to the officers of the Coast Guard, and only trains them to become marine officers to civilian standards. In fact it provides them with the training to obtain their civilian licenses. There is no leadership training and very little in terms of Coast Guard specific administration or operations training.

In fact the officers who would get the most "Coast Guard" training are the one choosing the Communications and Traffic Control branch (it's closed now for the foreseeable future - no need for personnel at this time), and yet they are the ones with the lowest amount of actual marine training.

I've often wondered what about the coast guard appeals to people over the Navy, especially for those looking to go the Officer route. Similar jobs, but waayyyy more fun in the Navy (and less sea time/time away from home...or so I've heard... Correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[dapaterson]

I've often wondered what about the coast guard appeals to people over the Navy, especially for those looking to go the Officer route. Similar jobs, but waayyyy more fun in the Navy (and less sea time/time away from home...or so I've heard... Correct me if I'm wrong).

"Join the Navy if you don't want to go to sea" isn't really that stirring a recruiting slogan.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I've often wondered what about the coast guard appeals to people over the Navy, especially for those looking to go the Officer route. Similar jobs, but waayyyy more fun in the Navy (and less sea time/time away from home...or so I've heard... Correct me if I'm wrong).

Well, the "franco" can operate 100% in French, using the proper French terminology, and be based for their whole life in a francophone province or area, for one thing.

When the RCN catches up to that concept, in view of the fact that there is a strong maritime tradition in Quebec in particular, they will get 25 to 30 % greater applications of qualified applicants.

 

[dapaterson]

Well, the "franco" can operate 100% in French, using the proper French terminology, and be based for their whole life in a francophone province or area, for one thing.

When the RCN catches up to that concept, in view of the fact that there is a strong maritime tradition in Quebec in particular, they will get 25 to 30 % greater applications of qualified applicants.

Fun fact: in raw numbers, if hard sea trades had the same francophone representation as the rest of the CAF, the RCN would be overborne.

The RCN's manning problems are largely an own goal.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

So long as everybody remembers that the Coast Guard Academy is just another specialized community college, not an indoctrination operation, like Venture or CFRLS St-Jean. It only addresses itself to the officers of the Coast Guard, and only trains them to become marine officers to civilian standards. In fact it provides them with the training to obtain their civilian licenses. There is no leadership training and very little in terms of Coast Guard specific administration or operations training.

In fact the officers who would get the most "Coast Guard" training are the one choosing the Communications and Traffic Control branch (it's closed now for the foreseeable future - no need for personnel at this time), and yet they are the ones with the lowest amount of actual marine training.

For some time, the CCG college certificates were not international recognized and to go through the Panama canal they would have to hire Merchant marine Captains to do the trip.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I've often wondered what about the coast guard appeals to people over the Navy, especially for those looking to go the Officer route. Similar jobs, but waayyyy more fun in the Navy (and less sea time/time away from home...or so I've heard... Correct me if I'm wrong).

You have a life, steady schedule, a generally happy workplace.