The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Eaglelord17]

Are you referring to the "Don't tread on me" with the rattlesnake in the USA? The flag (or mantra in general) associated with rednecks, hillbillies, those sort of people? I guess it gets results, but we are a country based on civility and righteousness and liberalism (as in the sense of Neoliberalism, not the liberal party)...
When I think of these types of people, I think of the clip of the libertarian talking about how the government wants to make a license to put toast in your own damn toaster

Even in a civil society there needs to be red lines drawn somewhere, it is very important there is. You want to know how that civil society came to exist? It was through a few civil wars to curtail the powers of the king and enforce the rights of the citizenry.

They don’t like reminding the public of that last part though.

 

[Lumber]

You are 100% wrong. I voted liberal, hold socially liberal views, and go to every gun show in the Medicine Hat area as well as the regular visits to range.
Maybe if you didn't try to constantly piss off people like me life wouldn't be so hard for you.

Stop. You're going to fracture his fragile world view.

 

[CadNav]

Even in a civil society there needs to be red lines drawn somewhere, it is very important there is. You want to know how that civil society came to exist? It was through a few civil wars to curtail the powers of the king and enforce the rights of the citizenry.

They don’t like reminding the public of that last part though.

The reason people fought in those wars is because they were legitimate. Not because they were powerful, but because they were legitimate. Paine writes about this in Common Sense.
Nobody would want to support people who act like "don't tread on me." There was a moral high ground that is usually had when a civil war happens, case in point, the American Revolution. They were increadibly charismatic gentleman, not people who piss on pieces of paper.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

It's an attempt to try an get you to engage in the actual premise rather than getting lost in the us vs them rage.

I'll boil it down- is there any off ramp, any compromise, that you would find palatable other than a full rollback to 2019?

There is no such thing as compromise on this file. It's only ever increasing restrictions. Their isn't one restrictions that has ever been walked back under a Liberal Govt with respect to gun laws in this Country. Mass non-compliance and civil disobedience is the best method of getting Govt to walk back any sort of anarcho-tyrannical laws they may feel like introducing from time to time.

I say that because we have ample examples to draw from and it's a proven method:

#MeToo
#OccupyWallStreet
#FreedomConvoy

Did you know more people have died in Canada from sticking things in their butt than from AR15s?

I think I'll go watch Brüno again... this comment made me think of that film...

 

[Halifax Tar]

A pretty classless protest against the PS minister today at the Almonte Gun Show. No matter how much you dislike the guy, he's trying to do the job he's paid to do. That's he's failing miserably is another issue. But this is not on, particularly at a public event where children may be present.

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Meah.

Really, it could be a lot worse.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I lean more conservative, but this crap pushes me away too.

Does it push you away when Conservatives commit crime as well?

 

[North Star]

Poor taste, combined with misdirected frustration, that could have been channeled in ways that better point out the idiocy of this program. BTW, still trying to figure out what a "Rugger" is.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Meah.

Really, it could be a lot worse.

If people hand thousands of dollars worth of firearms in and they get screwed over and receive $0 (on top of the negligible amount their firearm accessories will now be worth) I can see things getting worse for Liberal politicians, and especially anyone with fingerprints on the gun-ban pot.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If people hand thousands of dollars worth of firearms in and they get screwed over and receive $0 (on top of the negligible amount their firearm accessories will now be worth) I can see things getting worse for Liberal politicians, and especially anyone with fingerprints on the gun-ban pot.

Do you think the Liberals care ? Honest question.

 

[Haggis]

If people hand thousands of dollars worth of firearms in and they get screwed over and receive $0 (on top of the negligible amount their firearm accessories will now be worth) I can see things getting worse for Liberal politicians, and especially anyone with fingerprints on the gun-ban pot.

"Dateline: October 31, 2026

As Minister of Public Safety I am pleased to announce that the Liberal Government of Mark Carney has removed XXXXX dangerous assault style firearms from our communities though our voluntary buy-back program. The program is now concluded and is within budget, a major accomplishment and a responsible use of taxpayer dollars."

"Minister, did your government collect all the banned firearms?"

"No, we did not. Thanks to the misinformation of the NRA backed gun lobby, some mis-guided Canadians, a fringe minority, really, turned away from public safety towards their own selfish needs and did not participate. Moreover, several provincial government abrogated their responsibility for enforcing criminal law and challenged the authority of this government,. Their
actions will not go unaddressed."

"Minister, will you continue to collect banned firearms even without a compensation scheme in place?"

"We will. In fact, more importantly, we have identified the location and ownership of tens of thousands more assault style firearms which are now possessed illegally. Your Liberal government, in concert with local and provincial police forces, supported through our new $1B "Compliance Incentive Fund" will be taking decisive steps within the next few weeks to collect and destroy these illegal firearms and take action against those who would endanger our way of life."

 

[suffolkowner]

The reason people fought in those wars is because they were legitimate. Not because they were powerful, but because they were legitimate. Paine writes about this in Common Sense.
Nobody would want to support people who act like "don't tread on me." There was a moral high ground that is usually had when a civil war happens, case in point, the American Revolution. They were increadibly charismatic gentleman, not people who piss on pieces of paper.

i highly doubt there were a lot of incredibly charismatic gentleman who wouldnt piss on a piece of paper. Sometimes dirty work requires dirty people

 

[Jarnhamar]

Do you think the Liberals care ? Honest question.

I think if Liberal politicians start getting assaulted and messed with by gun owners who lost thousands or tens of thousands of dollars they're going to start caring (and crying).

Will Liberals draw some sort of moral victory like "see gun owners are violent after all"? 100%.
Will that help someone sleep at night if some gun owner out thousands of dollars wants revenge? Maybe not.

 

[Jarnhamar]

i highly doubt there were a lot of incredibly charismatic gentleman who wouldnt piss on a piece of paper. Sometimes dirty work requires dirty people

Considering Liberal party staff members populated fake Trump buttons on purpose at a conservative convention the chances that his picture was placed there by someone wanting gun owners to look bad are decent IMO.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

"Minister, will you continue to collect banned firearms even without a compensation scheme in place?"

"We will. In fact, more importantly, we have identified the location and ownership of tens of thousands more assault style firearms which are now possessed illegally. Your Liberal government, in concert with local and provincial police forces, supported through our new $1B "Compliance Incentive Fund" will be taking decisive steps within the next few weeks to collect and destroy these illegal firearms and take action against those who would endanger our way of life."

And there it is. Gun owners always knew this had nothing to do with public safety. It's always been nothing but a back door registry as a prelude to total firearms confiscation. A purely political strategy that ignores criminals and impinges on law abiding owners. A registry that, like those previous, will never be totally destroyed. The liberals have used this ploy before and it totally failed. The previous registry, that was ordered destroyed, still exists. Bottom line, no matter what they say, what they promise, however they spin it, this liberal government can't be trusted. That's just the truth of it. No fragile ego, no intent to piss people off that self identify as liberals. If you vote liberal and liberals are intent on stealing your private property or making you a criminal, well, that's your choice isn't it. Nothing to do with me.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Do you think the Liberals care ? Honest question.

Not a lick.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Poor taste, combined with misdirected frustration, that could have been channeled in ways that better point out the idiocy of this program. BTW, still trying to figure out what a "Rugger" is.

More proof the Minister doesn't know what he's talking about. He was reading his speech, produced by someone else, that contained the word 'Ruger.' He went on to pronounce it as 'rugger' evertime he saw the word Ruger. Considering the rifle that started all this at Poly, all those decades ago, was a Ruger Mini 14, you'd think he would know how to pronounce it.

But the whole thing is a political ploy. No need to know any technical details of the file.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You are 100% wrong. I voted liberal, hold socially liberal views, and go to every gun show in the Medicine Hat area as well as the regular visits to range.
Maybe if you didn't try to constantly piss off people like me life wouldn't be so hard for you.

Life isn't hard for me. Quite on the contrary.
My comment was made as tongue in cheek. I'm sorry if you took offence. I know my detractors will call bullshit and sharpen their sticks, but there it is.

I have no loyalty or attachment to any government whose goal is to turn our country into a post national, hybrid marxist globalist society. To me, they are the enemy to our way of life.

That's as far as I'm going with this derail.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think if Liberal politicians start getting assaulted and messed with by gun owners who lost thousands or tens of thousands of dollars they're going to start caring (and crying).

Will Liberals draw some sort of moral victory like "see gun owners are violent after all"? 100%.
Will that help someone sleep at night if some gun owner out thousands of dollars wants revenge? Maybe not.

Its amazing what we have become since 2015. And I don't mean amazing in a good way.

 

[Booter]

The government isn’t sending everyday cops or retired cops to a house for an arsenal. The risk assessments on those are too high now and it’s not a light search- it’s also not getting safer to do them, the simple cost of going to houses to take firearms will make it an untenable course of action,

And the cost of the bad incident that goes sideways because it wasn’t done properly is even higher. Any small town force thinking federal dollars are worth that hassle are very out of touch with reality presently

 

[Cloud Cover]

We need a truth and reconciliation commission for victims of the residential gun scoop.