The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Quirky]

aab's CEO comes off like a sketchy used car salesman one sale away from his monthly bonus,

What does that make the buyer?

 

[ytz]

On March 19th at a US Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, General Gregory M. Guillot (USAF) came out of left field and said that the F-35 wasn't needed to defend North America.

I've seen Canadian Gripen fans plaster this everywhere. And it ignores context. He was talking about more F-15 EX.

And of course the USAF is so big that it makes sense to get cheaper and more tailored aircraft for domestic roles. In this case the EX range is perfect for homeland defence.

It's a real stretch to extrapolate that conversation to saying Canada should buy the Gripen.

 

[dapaterson]

I've seen Canadian Gripen fans plaster this everywhere. And it ignores context. He was talking about more F-15 EX.

And of course the USAF is so big that it makes sense to get cheaper and more tailored aircraft for domestic roles. In this case the EX range is perfect for homeland defence.

It's a real stretch to extrapolate that conversation to saying Canada should buy the Gripen.

Exactly. Canada needs Twin Otters with an infantryman door gunner with a shotgun.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I've seen Canadian Gripen fans plaster this everywhere. And it ignores context. He was talking about more F-15 EX.

And of course the USAF is so big that it makes sense to get cheaper and more tailored aircraft for domestic roles. In this case the EX range is perfect for homeland defence.

It's a real stretch to extrapolate that conversation to saying Canada should buy the Gripen.

That's that not completely accurate - to paraphrase him - 'more 4th generation jets that have been modernized' - and then he gave the example of the F-15EX. He did not say that only F-15EX's were needed.

 

[Rainbow1910]

That's that not completely accurate - to paraphrase him - 'more 4th generation jets that have been modernized' - and then he gave the example of the F-15EX. He did not say that only F-15EX's were needed.

It is telling that the F-16 was not explicitly mentioned, largely because the F-15EX is viewed as the primary continental defence platform given its large size, high speed, capable sensors and substantial payload. The F-16 shares many of the same issues as the Gripen, where getting adequate range and payloads for various duties requires loading the aircraft down with external fuel tanks/munitions. The F-35 avoids this entirely by carrying its weaponry and fuel internally, while the F-15EX is a larger, faster and more potent airframe that can better carry all of these same required bits of equipment while remaining a more capable platform.

The F-16 is a perfectly fine aircraft, but it's not especially well suited to domestic NORAD work as the other available options, especially in the expanses of the North.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Back in the pre-Trump day I wanted a mix fleet of F15EX and F35's for Canada, each is very good in certain roles, together they are formidable.

 

[OldSolduer]

Exactly. Canada needs Twin Otters with an infantryman door gunner with a shotgun.

Twin Otters are a bit exorbitant. Besides what do the infantry door gunners need shotguns for? A luxury.

 

[YZT580]

Twin Otters are a bit exorbitant. Besides what do the infantry door gunners need shotguns for? A luxury.

save money and buy the single otter. No doubt DE Havilland still has the blueprints and they have upgraded them in the past with a PT6. The reserves in Downsview used to operate a squadron of them. They would show up at many of the civilian fly-ins and could often be found anchored in a quiet cove on Lake Muskoka.

 

[suffolkowner]

Arashi: Canada to allegedly be offered spot in GCAP

Noah Note

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

sliding into GCAP!?

 

[Kirkhill]

Feelings don't change military or commercial reality.

I've argued before that the way to do this is to take a long term view. Building Gripens in Canada is pointless. Join GCAP and fight for higher value share. Launch a domestic autonomous systems programs and building something like Australia's Ghost Bat. These are things that would build industrial capacity in concrete and relevant ways than rivteing together lego blocks shipped from Sweden.



The AG report is probably accounting for LockMart delays when they had problems with Block IV aircraft.

Rheinmetall-Boeing and the Aussie MQ-28 Ghost Bat

MQ-28 Ghost Bat Gains Major European Foothold As Rheinmetall Joins Forces With Boeing

The MQ-28 Ghost Bat could be fielded by the Luftwaffe, but the door is also open to a potentially very lucrative European CCA market. The MQ-28 Ghost Bat could be fielded by the Luftwaffe, but the door is also open to a potentially very lucrative European CCA market.

www.twz.com

Airbus-Kratos and the MQ-58 Valkyrie

Airbus is preparing two uncrewed combat aircraft from Kratos for first flight with a European mission system

Airbus is working at full throttle to offer the German Air Force an operational Uncrewed Collaborative Combat Aircraft (UCCA) system by 2029.

www.airbus.com

 

[Kirkhill]

save money and buy the single otter. No doubt DE Havilland still has the blueprints and they have upgraded them in the past with a PT6. The reserves in Downsview used to operate a squadron of them. They would show up at many of the civilian fly-ins and could often be found anchored in a quiet cove on Lake Muskoka.

Spent a little time as cargo in those in Alaska. Some water landings. No ski landings.



DHC-3T - The Turbo Otter

de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[YZT580]

Spent a little time as cargo in those in Alaska. Some water landings. No ski landings.

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DHC-3T - The Turbo Otter

de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

could never understand why anyone would buy a caravan when the otter was available. Loved it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Latest from PMMC via The Canadian Press:

 

[ytz]

Review will not be finished until at least after CUSMA......

Possibly even while Trump is in office.....

 

[Rainbow1910]

Review will not be finished until at least after CUSMA......

Possibly even while Trump is in office.....

It's very hard to see how the GCAP participants or any other country who isn't desperate would look at Canada after this never ending fighter procurement fiasco and go "yeah, those guys are who I want as a partner."

 

[ytz]

It's very hard to see how the GCAP participants or any other country who isn't desperate would look at Canada after this never ending fighter procurement fiasco and go "yeah, those guys are who I want as a partner."

We're going to join GCAP and do the JSF thing. We're part of the consortium. But no firm order. Maybe we'll order in 2045....

 

[GR66]

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A number of us on here have suggested for a long time that the F-35 probably isn't really required for the NORAD mission. The issue though is that NORAD isn't the only mission required by the RCAF. The F-35 IS required for those overseas missions.

The question then becomes is it worth the cost in duplicated training, support, facilities, parts, contracts, etc. having a split fleet vs a single fleet?

I'd say the general consensus is that it is not.

 

[PrairieFella]

So if Trump tries to burn down NATO tonight I guess we're getting Gripens?

 

[lenaitch]

save money and buy the single otter. No doubt DE Havilland still has the blueprints and they have upgraded them in the past with a PT6. The reserves in Downsview used to operate a squadron of them. They would show up at many of the civilian fly-ins and could often be found anchored in a quiet cove on Lake Muskoka.

I believe they own the plans but I'll bet any certificate has expired; the haven't built any since 1967. I don't think (but stand to be corrected) that any of the turbine conversions were done by DH.