AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Underway]

ALL stitched together was an appropriate descriptor, or maybe duck-taped a la Red/Green

Large clips are holding the blocks together for alignment until they can be welded. Sort of like ship surgical staples. So stitched is a good analogy.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Last block put in place:

It’s always a sight to see: steel blocks being lifted high into the air by Big Blue, the 300-tonne gantry crane at Vancouver Shipyards in North Vancouver, where a team of highly skilled shipyard… | Seaspan ULC

It’s always a sight to see: steel blocks being lifted high into the air by Big Blue, the 300-tonne gantry crane at Vancouver Shipyards in North Vancouver, where a team of highly skilled shipyard workers are building the second Joint Support Ship (JSS2) for the Royal Canadian Navy | Marine royale...

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[Jimbolio]

Cool to see JSS2 coming together! What's the status of 1? Sea trials soon?

 

[Underway]

Cool to see JSS2 coming together! What's the status of 1? Sea trials soon?

PRO delivery to navy summer 27', which will be after builders trials. Then ship will be transferred to Victoria Shipyards to install some of the combat systems as Vancouver shipyards doesn't have the expertise.

It won't be till probably late 28' the PRO is fully approved for every task. Warm/cold water trials, a whole bunch of flight operations tests/trials. Baselining all the comms systems, EW systems, learning how to properly load and store everything, fueling transfer, pumping systems, DC systems, cranes, boats, ammunition transfers... so much stuff.

Preserver is already ahead of schedule and Protecteur is behind schedule. As is always the way with ships. First one lags, second one goes faster.

 

[YZT580]

PRO delivery to navy summer 27', which will be after builders trials. Then ship will be transferred to Victoria Shipyards to install some of the combat systems as Vancouver shipyards doesn't have the expertise.

It won't be till probably late 28' the PRO is fully approved for every task. Warm/cold water trials, a whole bunch of flight operations tests/trials. Baselining all the comms systems, EW systems, learning how to properly load and store everything, fueling transfer, pumping systems, DC systems, cranes, boats, ammunition transfers... so much stuff.

Preserver is already ahead of schedule and Protecteur is behind schedule. As is always the way with ships. First one lags, second one goes faster.

now we just need one or two more

 

[dapaterson]

now we just need one or two more

If we order long lead items tomorrow we might have the ships in the early 2030s.

 

[suffolkowner]

If we order long lead items tomorrow we might have the ships in the early 2030s.

thats not bad is it? Seaspan has some work ahead of it

 

[SeaKingTacco]

If we order long lead items tomorrow we might have the ships in the early 2030s.

Or order 2-3 much simpler oilers, next, to be shuttle tankers.

 

[Maxman1]

now we just need one or two more

Why not three?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

If we order long lead items tomorrow we might have the ships in the early 2030s.

No. Let Seaspan get on with its Coast Guard contracts. Then, in about five or six years buy the long lead items for two more AORs. You then build them, incorporating in the design the lessons learned from the first two, so they hit the water about ten to twelve years after the first two. At that point, the first two go into mid-life refit in turn.

No matter how aggressively the RCN pursues it's currently announced expansion (12 subs, 15 RCD and 12+ CDC), in terms of fleet size, we will be marking time for a good 8 to twelve years before the expansion starts to takes hold. That's when you will start having a need for more support vessels. Meanwhile, not having two more AORs stressing the manpower pool will be more helpful to the rebuilding of the manning pool than stretching it with two more AORs on top of current needs.

 

[Stoker]

now we just need one or two more

Or buy Asterix? Federal Fleets been dropping some interesting videos the last few weeks claiming Asterix is good for 25 to 30 more years and Arctic capable.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Or buy Asterix? Federal Fleets been dropping some interesting videos the last few weeks claiming Asterix is good for 25 to 30 more years and Arctic capable.

Yes and they are also buying multiple page spreads in relevant naval magazines as well recently, it seems they are becoming increasingly desperate to stop their leased gravy train from ending. Unless Davie plans to come down significantly on the ridiculous sale price they were floating previously, Asterix is going to be sent back to Davie alongside their two newly purchased British tankers for use abroad.

If we can get Asterix for pennies on the dollar, it makes sense. We've sunk a frankly ridiculous amount of money into something we don't even own at the end of a day.

 

[Stoker]

Yes and they are also buying multiple page spreads in relevant naval magazines as well recently, it seems they are becoming increasingly desperate to stop their leased gravy train from ending. Unless Davie plans to come down significantly on the ridiculous sale price they were floating previously, Asterix is going to be sent back to Davie alongside their two newly purchased British tankers for use abroad.

If we can get Asterix for pennies on the dollar, it makes sense. We've sunk a frankly ridiculous amount of money into something we don't even own at the end of a day.

From what I understand its quite a gravy train indeed. I believe the purchase price is $700M. I think this is all a calculated ploy to position themselves to supply NATO as an organization. Perhaps they should talk tank baffles and helo capabilities.

 

[Underway]

No. Let Seaspan get on with its Coast Guard contracts. Then, in about five or six years buy the long lead items for two more AORs. You then build them, incorporating in the design the lessons learned from the first two, so they hit the water about ten to twelve years after the first two. At that point, the first two go into mid-life refit in turn.

No matter how aggressively the RCN pursues it's currently announced expansion (12 subs, 15 RCD and 12+ CDC), in terms of fleet size, we will be marking time for a good 8 to twelve years before the expansion starts to takes hold. That's when you will start having a need for more support vessels. Meanwhile, not having two more AORs stressing the manpower pool will be more helpful to the rebuilding of the manning pool than stretching it with two more AORs on top of current needs.

Fully agree. There is lots of work for Seaspan getting the CCG back to new ships. We'll have our hands full with fleet expansion from other directions for the next 10 years.

Having them hit the water and join the fleet just as PRO/ PRE get ready for mid life would be perfect timing.

 

[Swampbuggy]

From what I understand its quite a gravy train indeed. I believe the purchase price is $700M. I think this is all a calculated ploy to position themselves to supply NATO as an organization. Perhaps they should talk tank baffles and helo capabilities.

Not being a naval engineer, I’m wondering how difficult it is to install baffles in the tanks now or at a refit in the near future? Is it a huge endeavour that makes it not worth it or is it a feasiblility?

 

[Underway]

Not being a naval engineer, I’m wondering how difficult it is to install baffles in the tanks now or at a refit in the near future? Is it a huge endeavour that makes it not worth it or is it a feasiblility?

I think financially its probably not worth it for them. They won't refit the Asterix.

 

[Rainbow1910]

I think financially its probably not worth it for them. They won't refit the Asterix.

If they didn't do it during the original conversion, I doubt they'll do it after the fact.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Not being a naval engineer, I’m wondering how difficult it is to install baffles in the tanks now or at a refit in the near future? Is it a huge endeavour that makes it not worth it or is it a feasiblility?

It's docking dependent steel work, but frankly a lot easier than the extent of the repairs we routinely do during dockings, as the scope would be planned ahead. The only tricky bit would be figuring out how much of the skin to take off the double hull to get the plating into tanks, and making sure you don't pull off so much the ship strength is compromised. Normal access is only via small tank openings, so pretty normal to cut access holes for tank work for schedule, and cheaper than trying to get it in via the 2'-3' access hatch that's 4 decks down in the ship (which is too small for any of this anyway).

That's normal for repairs as well, as some equipment doesn't actually have removal routes, but generally that's things like huge engine blocks or very large air flasks. Those are expected to have a similar lifespan to the ship, barring catastrophic failures (which is why maintenance is important), but the kind of thing you would like at doing as part of a lifespan extension.

Usually the killer part of all those jobs is interference items in the way that need to be pulled out, especially anything with power connections, or wire routing along the way where you need to disconnect it (with LOTO and tracking, so it gets reconnected). There really is nothing in the tanks, and pretty minimal stuff in the double hull (if anything) so it's almost exclusively steel work and painting. So time consuming but not difficult.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

and the tank cleaning that needs to be done prior to any cutting.

 

[Stoker]

It's docking dependent steel work, but frankly a lot easier than the extent of the repairs we routinely do during dockings, as the scope would be planned ahead. The only tricky bit would be figuring out how much of the skin to take off the double hull to get the plating into tanks, and making sure you don't pull off so much the ship strength is compromised. Normal access is only via small tank openings, so pretty normal to cut access holes for tank work for schedule, and cheaper than trying to get it in via the 2'-3' access hatch that's 4 decks down in the ship (which is too small for any of this anyway).

That's normal for repairs as well, as some equipment doesn't actually have removal routes, but generally that's things like huge engine blocks or very large air flasks. Those are expected to have a similar lifespan to the ship, barring catastrophic failures (which is why maintenance is important), but the kind of thing you would like at doing as part of a lifespan extension.

Usually the killer part of all those jobs is interference items in the way that need to be pulled out, especially anything with power connections, or wire routing along the way where you need to disconnect it (with LOTO and tracking, so it gets reconnected). There really is nothing in the tanks, and pretty minimal stuff in the double hull (if anything) so it's almost exclusively steel work and painting. So time consuming but not difficult.

You would have thought they would of tackled that at their last docking but as mentioned they probably want to do the very least on the ship to maximise profits. If we did purchase we probably would obligated to correct this as possible excess free surface effect and any restrictions that resulted would allow for expanded helo operations.