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Accidents involving Emergency Vehicles

Saw this in today's news regarding accidents involving emergency vehicles.

2 Durham cops will stand trial in 401 crash that killed baby, grandparents

Lawsuit,

Survivors of wrong-way Highway 401 crash suing officers involved, Durham police
Lawsuit asking for $25M in damages for negligence; Durham Police declines to comment
 
Saw this in today's news regarding accidents involving emergency vehicles.



Lawsuit,


Lawsuit asking for $25M in damages for negligence; Durham Police declines to comment
I wouldn’t call that an ‘accident’, personally. They made an extremely bad choice to continue a pursuit wrong way on a highway. There’s a reason this one went criminal.
 
Would changing "accident" to "collision" be satisfactory?
I meant more this thread va police behaving badly.
The $25M lawsuit also caught my attention.
Lawsuit ‘headline’ amounts in Canada are meaningless. You can file a claim for just about anything, but damages in Canada don’t hit the levels of absurdity you see in the states. Most damages in Canada arise directly from actual cost and loss. There’s a bit of a complex process for establishing the value of a human death. It’s a really gross pragmatism, but both the elderly and small children aren’t ‘worth’ much in damages assessments in Canada because economic potential is either most already passed, or is completely unproven.

Punitive damages, and damages for intangibles like suffering are relatively low in Canada. Though with that said, this was pretty egregious and there will be a settlement. No way this goes to trial.
 
No way this goes to trial.

My limited understanding of civil lawsuits against muni emergency services in the GTA is that they are frequently settled out of court for "an undisclosed amount."
 
I'd say (by experience) that about 90% of civil lawsuits, regardless of parties, are settled out of court, most before it even goes to trial, especially in provinces that have public compulsory auto insurance plans, like B.C. and Qc. Even more so in provinces that don't have civil trials by jury.

Remember that, in the vast majority of cases not involving wrongful death or injuries, you are actually dealing with insurance companies against one another, and in most of the remaining cases the party being sued is represented by an insurer.

I worked for seven years for a law firm that represented insurers almost exclusively. It may sound crass, but the insurance companies very seldom let a principled position get in the way of a settlement. We evaluate the real value of the claim, evaluate the risks for either party to the suit, come up with a percentage of risk, which we apply to the value and derive a bracket of values for settlement. We then use the risk factors for the claimant, or if we represent the claimant then the risk factors for the defendant, and the various court related "friction points" (motions, known date for trial, cost of trial, etc.) to negotiate the best possible outcome within that bracket.

Believe it or not, I would say that in the very large majority of cases, the outcome is a fair result for both parties.
 
I'd say (by experience) that about 90% of civil lawsuits, regardless of parties, are settled out of court, most before it even goes to trial, especially in provinces that have public compulsory auto insurance plans, like B.C. and Qc. Even more so in provinces that don't have civil trials by jury.

Remember that, in the vast majority of cases not involving wrongful death or injuries, you are actually dealing with insurance companies against one another, and in most of the remaining cases the party being sued is represented by an insurer.

I worked for seven years for a law firm that represented insurers almost exclusively. It may sound crass, but the insurance companies very seldom let a principled position get in the way of a settlement. We evaluate the real value of the claim, evaluate the risks for either party to the suit, come up with a percentage of risk, which we apply to the value and derive a bracket of values for settlement. We then use the risk factors for the claimant, or if we represent the claimant then the risk factors for the defendant, and the various court related "friction points" (motions, known date for trial, cost of trial, etc.) to negotiate the best possible outcome within that bracket.

Believe it or not, I would say that in the very large majority of cases, the outcome is a fair result for both parties.
Thanks for that. Are you able to check my understanding and belief on the realities of civil damages up here in such cases?

No idea if the police service would be conventionally insured, or ‘self insured’ by the crown. I suspect the latter.
 
Thanks for that. Are you able to check my understanding and belief on the realities of civil damages up here in such cases?

No idea if the police service would be conventionally insured, or ‘self insured’ by the crown. I suspect the latter.

Your understanding of the realities of civil damage for a case like this is correct, few settlements in Canada are in the single million dollars or more, most are below, and very few have more than two or three millions. You'd have to have killed Taylor Swift and be faced with the claim of her kids (if any by then) to be assessed $25M in damages.

Most police forces and municipalities are insured externally. Only the very very large ones would be self insured. Moreover, many of the large ones that are self insured still deal with an insurance company to run the claims for them "as if" they were the insurer, for a fee for service of course.
 
Regarding emergency vehicle operations.

Even if there is not a collision, the City can still get sued over Response Time.

Our department wrote a $10M cheque for taking 35 minutes to reach a heart attack victim.
 
Your understanding of the realities of civil damage for a case like this is correct, few settlements in Canada are in the single million dollars or more, most are below, and very few have more than two or three millions. You'd have to have killed Taylor Swift and be faced with the claim of her kids (if any by then) to be assessed $25M in damages.

Most police forces and municipalities are insured externally. Only the very very large ones would be self insured. Moreover, many of the large ones that are self insured still deal with an insurance company to run the claims for them "as if" they were the insurer, for a fee for service of course.
Thanks!
 
Your understanding of the realities of civil damage for a case like this is correct, few settlements in Canada are in the single million dollars or more, most are below, and very few have more than two or three millions. You'd have to have killed Taylor Swift and be faced with the claim of her kids (if any by then) to be assessed $25M in damages.

Most police forces and municipalities are insured externally. Only the very very large ones would be self insured. Moreover, many of the large ones that are self insured still deal with an insurance company to run the claims for them "as if" they were the insurer, for a fee for service of course.
Note to self: if uninsured, be certain not to kill Taylor Swift after she has children.
 
Readers with an interest in Emergency vehicle operations may find this study informative.

Yes, it is from 1997. Readers may decide for themselves if the study may, or may not, possibly be still relevant today.

"Wake- effect" collisions occur as a result of an emergency vehicle's transit, but do not involve the emergency vehicle.

Research suggests wake-effect collisions occur more frequently than actual emergency vehicle collisions.

I recall reading somewhere there was a 4 to 1 ratio.
 
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