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RCMP Charges CAF Members For Trying to Start Anti- Government Group- July 08/ 2025

Oldgateboatdriver said:
The agreed statement of facts is for sentencing, not entering the guilty plea. It will come out later, then the parties will either argue over the appropriate sentence based on those facts or, if a plea deal has been reached, argue jointly to the court as to why the agreed sentence is appropriate given the agreed statement of facts. The court is always free to reject the agreed sentence and substitute its own based on those agreed facts, but it must then explain why the sentence agreed by the parties (one of which, of course, is the prosecution) is not an acceptable one under the circumstances.
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I realize I’m not the lawyer here… But I’ve seen and done a bit and agreed statements of facts absolutely regularly get introduced at trial, and admission of such or recitations of the facts by crown are very normal for acceptance of a guilty plea.

With that said I’m admit I’m making an assumption that there is such a document in existence and admitted to the court in this case- or a court transcript of an oral submission by crown. There may not be… But there very likely is. I’d be astonished were there not such a thing underlying acceptance of the plea, given the nature and complexity of the file.
 
But if he plead guilty, there was no trial and there is no requirement to enter any statement of facts, unless dealing with a case where the Court may have reasons to question the legitimacy of the change of plea to guilty (for a minor, for instance or for someone who is in a position to so plead and then be in a position to help the crown with the case against other defendants, etc.). For mundane, so to speak, change of plea, it comes at sentencing.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
But if he plead guilty, there was no trial and there is no requirement to enter any statement of facts, unless dealing with a case where the Court may have reasons to question the legitimacy of the change of plea to guilty (for a minor, for instance or for someone who is in a position to so plead and then be in a position to help the crown with the case against other defendants, etc.). For mundane, so to speak, change of plea, it comes at sentencing.
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It’s not required, no, but reading in facts to the judge at plea is not unusual.

All that said- this came about based on the thinness of facts reported. Probably there’s more on the public record now that media could access and report. I’d be super interested to know what kit was sold.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
But if he plead guilty, there was no trial and there is no requirement to enter any statement of facts, unless dealing with a case where the Court may have reasons to question the legitimacy of the change of plea to guilty (for a minor, for instance or for someone who is in a position to so plead and then be in a position to help the crown with the case against other defendants, etc.). For mundane, so to speak, change of plea, it comes at sentencing.
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Under 606(1.1)(c) CC, it is incumbent on a court accepting a guilty plea to satisfy itself that "the facts support the charge". An agreed statement of fact is the easiest way to ensure that the facts are entered into the record. In lesser matters, it is usually sufficient for the Crown Brief synopsis to be read in.
 
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