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EV's, Gas/Oil, and The Future- another swerve split from- JT Hints Boosting Canada’s Military Spending

I won't hold my breath, the majority of the smaller EV makers disappear after awhile, the cost of certification and creation of dealer/support networks sucks up lots of cash. I just saw that only 3 of the Chinese EV makers are making any profit and the government there had to order the companies to sell at production costs and no lower. For a lot of these companies, 1 recall can sink them.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
I won't hold my breath, the majority of the smaller EV makers disappear after awhile, the cost of certification and creation of dealer/support networks sucks up lots of cash. I just saw that only 3 of the Chinese EV makers are making any profit and the government there had to order the companies to sell at production costs and no lower. For a lot of these companies, 1 recall can sink them.
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Slate is backed by Bezos... Just watch an episode of Rings of Power, and you'll see he has no issue throwing away money for vanity.
 
Halifax Tar said:
Big smoke fire Chief has a word of two on Lithium Ion Batteries..

www.cp24.com

Why Toronto’s fire chief is warning about the dangers of lithium-ion batteries

The chief says that’s, in part, because those batteries are not regulated the same way cell phone, computer or electric vehicle batteries are.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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They've had a bit of a run of them this summer, as I imagine have other cities. Not only are the batteries unregulated, e-scooters are illegal to operate in Ontario.

Platforms such as Amazon exploit a big hole in the regulatory market. A bricks-and-mortar retailer can't import or sell unregulated or uncertified products, but Amazon is full of them, particularly in electrical devices.
 
lenaitch said:
They've had a bit of a run of them this summer, as I imagine have other cities. Not only are the batteries unregulated, e-scooters are illegal to operate in Ontario.

Platforms such as Amazon exploit a big hole in the regulatory market. A bricks-and-mortar retailer can't import or sell unregulated or uncertified products, but Amazon is full of them, particularly in electrical devices.
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Interestingly, the last few small devices I got have Chinese certifications. And, unlike the NA and Euro certifications, these point to the specific clauses of the standards that they abide by.

I think Chinese producers are nearing the same inflection point that was experienced with Japanese exports in the 70s, moving from being perceived as lower quality to being recognized as better products than those made locally.
 
Chinese quality control and production quality is all over the map, some is excellent, others border on criminal. Here in North America we get their "good" bad stuff, the real super crap gets sent elsewhere.
 
dapaterson said:
Interestingly, the last few small devices I got have Chinese certifications. And, unlike the NA and Euro certifications, these point to the specific clauses of the standards that they abide by.

I think Chinese producers are nearing the same inflection point that was experienced with Japanese exports in the 70s, moving from being perceived as lower quality to being recognized as better products than those made locally.
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I avoid buy electrical anything from Amazon but just looking at some of the listings some products look sketchy. I did order something a while back that showed it as UL certified but when I received it, nowhere on the product was the any indication of any certification.

This is Amazon's policy but I'm not sure there is any enforcement or quality control.


Colin Parkinson said:
Chinese quality control and production quality is all over the map, some is excellent, others border on criminal. Here in North America we get their "good" bad stuff, the real super crap gets sent elsewhere.
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If a known brand name product (Dewalt, Apple, GM, etc.) is manufactured or has parts from offshore at least there is some level of customer service, warrantee recourse, etc., for better or worse. If you scroll Amazon listings, you will find the exact same listing repeated under multiple manufacturers, none of which anyone who has ever heard of.

I would hate to see what some other countries get.
 
Halifax Tar said:
Is anyone surprised ?

Does anyone care ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2101757573439664230
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I care.

My question is though, do all cars today send any data back 'home'. Tesla's send data 100% back to home. Do other cars?

I know that the root of the issue is, its China, but this sort of stuff is similar and just as important, as the whole 'data sovereignty' issue about where 'Canadian' data is held and where its sent. From banking info to tax information to market research info on shopping habits to driving habits. Does this data stay in Canada and is it controlled/owned by a Canadian owned entity, answering only to Canadian legislation?

Are we ok with all driving data and such for Tesla's going back to the US? Are we ok with all the driving data for Hyundai's going back to SK? For all Toyota's going back to Japan? Do we need 2 sets of rules? One for China and another for all other countries? Or do we need 1 set of rules that is applied evenly across all countries? What about Tesla's that are made in China? How are we certain that data is not going back to both China and the US?
 
Czech_pivo said:
I care.

My question is though, do all cars today send any data back 'home'. Tesla's send data 100% back to home. Do other cars?

I know that the root of the issue is, its China, but this sort of stuff is similar and just as important, as the whole 'data sovereignty' issue about where 'Canadian' data is held and where its sent. From banking info to tax information to market research info on shopping habits to driving habits. Does this data stay in Canada and is it controlled/owned by a Canadian owned entity, answering only to Canadian legislation?

Are we ok with all driving data and such for Tesla's going back to the US? Are we ok with all the driving data for Hyundai's going back to SK? For all Toyota's going back to Japan? Do we need 2 sets of rules? One for China and another for all other countries? Or do we need 1 set of rules that is applied evenly across all countries? What about Tesla's that are made in China? How are we certain that data is not going back to both China and the US?
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Am I okay with Ford collecting data from my truck? Yes.

Am I okay with Ford transmitting that data to the United States? Yes.

Would I be okay with Ford sending my data to China? No.

Not all countries present the same level of risk. There is a reason many Western nations have scrutinized or sought to restrict platforms like TikTok. China is not merely a competitor; it is a strategic adversary. The Chinese government has repeatedly demonstrated its willingness to leverage economic, technological, and information tools to advance its interests abroad.

I'd much rather my data be held by a company operating within the legal and political systems of close allies than be accessible to a regime whose values, objectives, and view of individual rights are fundamentally different from our own. That's not paranoia; it's a rational assessment of risk.
 
Halifax Tar said:
Am I okay with Ford collecting data from my truck? Yes.

Am I okay with Ford transmitting that data to the United States? Yes.

Would I be okay with Ford sending my data to China? No.

Not all countries present the same level of risk. There is a reason many Western nations have scrutinized or sought to restrict platforms like TikTok. China is not merely a competitor; it is a strategic adversary. The Chinese government has repeatedly demonstrated its willingness to leverage economic, technological, and information tools to advance its interests abroad.

I'd much rather my data be held by a company operating within the legal and political systems of close allies than be accessible to a regime whose values, objectives, and view of individual rights are fundamentally different from our own. That's not paranoia; it's a rational assessment of risk.
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I agree with your comments on China.

My next question would be, why would we allow our data to leave Canada in the first place? Data collected in Canada should remain in Canada. If Ford wants to collect data on Canadian driving habits, fine, send the data to Ford Canada's HQ and have it analyzed there and remain here in Canada. Same with all other car companies. Where does it say in the paperwork that I, or you, received when buying a new car that my driving habits/information is going to be collected and sent down the US or over the oceans to South Korea or Germany? That sort of information should be disclosed when buying a new vehicle and the buyers should have the option to 'opt out' of their data being collected and sent out of country. Would you agree to that?
 
Czech_pivo said:
I agree with your comments on China.

My next question would be, why would we allow our data to leave Canada in the first place? Data collected in Canada should remain in Canada. If Ford wants to collect data on Canadian driving habits, fine, send the data to Ford Canada's HQ and have it analyzed there and remain here in Canada. Same with all other car companies. Where does it say in the paperwork that I, or you, received when buying a new car that my driving habits/information is going to be collected and sent down the US or over the oceans to South Korea or Germany? That sort of information should be disclosed when buying a new vehicle and the buyers should have the option to 'opt out' of their data being collected and sent out of country. Would you agree to that?
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Sure. As long as it doesn't go to someone I'm probably going to end up fighting before my career is over.
 
Czech_pivo said:
I care.

My question is though, do all cars today send any data back 'home'. Tesla's send data 100% back to home. Do other cars?

I know that the root of the issue is, its China, but this sort of stuff is similar and just as important, as the whole 'data sovereignty' issue about where 'Canadian' data is held and where its sent. From banking info to tax information to market research info on shopping habits to driving habits. Does this data stay in Canada and is it controlled/owned by a Canadian owned entity, answering only to Canadian legislation?

Are we ok with all driving data and such for Tesla's going back to the US? Are we ok with all the driving data for Hyundai's going back to SK? For all Toyota's going back to Japan? Do we need 2 sets of rules? One for China and another for all other countries? Or do we need 1 set of rules that is applied evenly across all countries? What about Tesla's that are made in China? How are we certain that data is not going back to both China and the US?
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apparently you have to pull the tire sensors in even the least sophisticated of vehicles
 
suffolkowner said:
apparently you have to pull the tire sensors in even the least sophisticated of vehicles
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I'm sure that there are all kinds of bits and bobs of info being collected and sent along that we have zero knowledge of.

Tire pressure
Filling up of gas tanks, how much gas, what type of gas
Average driving speed
Use of radio vs Spotify vs Satellite radio
Etc, etc

When did we give up or offer up for free all of this free data that doesn't necessarily benefit us directly?
 
Czech_pivo said:
I'm sure that there are all kinds of bits and bobs of info being collected and sent along that we have zero knowledge of.

Tire pressure
Filling up of gas tanks, how much gas, what type of gas
Average driving speed
Use of radio vs Spotify vs Satellite radio
Etc, etc

When did we give up or offer up for free all of this free data that doesn't necessarily benefit us directly?
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Most of which is innocuous and the intent is improved customer satisfaction and product quality.

I would much rather the CIA and CISIS have my data than the Chinese equivalent.

Also I only use Spotify now that News 95.7 is gone.

suffolkowner said:
or Cheeto infused ones
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Maple flavored Cheeto ? lol
 
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