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What exactly are we rebuilding the CAF to defend if the country is slowly committing demographic suicide.

I know some will be tempted to blame one political party or another. But the country hasn't had birth rates above replacement in half a century. Lots of blame to go around.
 
What exactly are we rebuilding the CAF to defend if the country is slowly committing demographic suicide.

I know some will be tempted to blame one political party or another. But the country hasn't had birth rates above replacement in half a century. Lots of blame to go around.
Hey I am doing my part. Sad part is his family and my family have more kids than all our friends combined.

I was speaking about this with my wife. She is the only one with kids in her entire friend group. It's not like her friends are young either, they are all women in their mid 30s, no kids, no plan to have kids.

Government policies basically punish you for having kids and having a parent stay home to raise them. I make enough money that my wife doesn't have to work. She can stay home and look after our family. We are penalized at tax time because of that due to not being allowed to income split.
 
What exactly are we rebuilding the CAF to defend if the country is slowly committing demographic suicide.

I know some will be tempted to blame one political party or another. But the country hasn't had birth rates above replacement in half a century. Lots of blame to go around.

A party ? No. No one political leaning owns this.

Now if you wanna talk generations there's definitely fingers that can be pointed.
 
What exactly are we rebuilding the CAF to defend if the country is slowly committing demographic suicide.

I know some will be tempted to blame one political party or another. But the country the developed World hasn't had birth rates above replacement in half a century. Lots of blame to go around.
This isn't a Canadian problem only. It's a natural result of greater health, reduced child mortality and prosperity from technology. Parents don't need large families to compensate for the fact that many children won't survive to adulthood. They also don't need large families to provide manual labour on the farm due to much improved technology. And with overall far fewer people being at borderline sustenance levels of poverty (and the existence of government safety nets) they don't need extra children to support them in their old age.

That's why in every region and country of the World as you see them move up the economic ladder you see a marked reduction in the number of children per family. When children stop being an economic asset (in the form of free labour or economic support in old age) and instead become an economic expense to support then it's natural that families will choose to have less children. Individual choices of course may vary, but overall the stats Worldwide show this to be true.
 
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door

If people enjoy pointing fingers, some like to blame others for taking early retirement.

Or, on the other finger , for - not - retiring . Lol

I remember having to compete with a lot of other young men [ this was before Equity, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI) ] for the job.

My former department put it this way,

The 'Baby Boom' generation is aging. Simultaneously, all of those 'boomers' employed by the service in the early 1970s are reaching the end of their careers and retiring. Since subsequent generations are typically much smaller, the service is experiencing difficulty in recruiting suitably trained replacement staff, just as demand for services is increasing.

Personally, I just wanted to be like my father , and the men of his generation that I worked with.

Do your work, live your life. Simple as that.
 
It's also a function of women both wanting more options in life and being leery of the economic dependence of being stay-at-home mothers. Large families are hard work that is often unappreciated and is largely unremunerated. And once you leave the workforce for any length of time, earning potential tanks. Unless you are wealthy, this can mean being stuck together long after the marriage has gone sour. Lots of women look at the lives of their mothers and say, "hell no".
 
I'll bite. How about
What exactly are we rebuilding the CAF to defend if the country is slowly committing demographic suicide.

I know some will be tempted to blame one political party or another. But the country hasn't had birth rates above replacement in half a century. Lots of blame to go around.
the cost of living as a starter. I am part of the last generation that could economically live on a single income. That same generation could afford a 1200 sq. ft. detached or semi that was located in a neighbourhood with parks and within walking distance of most of the essentials for daily living i.e. grocery stores, shoe stores, clothing shops, churches etc. We also generally lived in the same area that we worked and didn't spend an hour each way commuting. The 401 was two lanes each direction across the city and there was grass and trees along the perimeter. There wasn't the same necessity to obtain toys such as boats, snowmobiles and 48" TVs. Heck a 17" set cost 500 dollars at a time when salaries were less than 7000 per annum. Minimum wage was $1.25 and I could afford an apartment in Mississauga at that rate. I wouldn't fault government so much as individual and collective greed.
It's also a function of women both wanting more options in life and being leery of the economic dependence of being stay-at-home mothers. Large families are hard work that is often unappreciated and is largely unremunerated. And once you leave the workforce for any length of time, earning potential tanks. Unless you are wealthy, this can mean being stuck together long after the marriage has gone sour. Lots of women look at the lives of their mothers and say, "hell no".
and just how many couples that you know can afford to take time off to have kids or even more relevant have a residence that is kid friendly. Condos may suit couples but they are definitely not designed for families and for most couples condos are about all they can afford.
 
I'll bite. How about

the cost of living as a starter. I am part of the last generation that could economically live on a single income. That same generation could afford a 1200 sq. ft. detached or semi that was located in a neighbourhood with parks and within walking distance of most of the essentials for daily living i.e. grocery stores, shoe stores, clothing shops, churches etc. We also generally lived in the same area that we worked and didn't spend an hour each way commuting. The 401 was two lanes each direction across the city and there was grass and trees along the perimeter. There wasn't the same necessity to obtain toys such as boats, snowmobiles and 48" TVs. Heck a 17" set cost 500 dollars at a time when salaries were less than 7000 per annum. Minimum wage was $1.25 and I could afford an apartment in Mississauga at that rate. I wouldn't fault government so much as individual and collective greed.
So cost of living is a definite problem but...... I think there is a lack of individual accountability and just a lack of ambition overall these days. I wasn't a particularly gifted student or master of anything really. What I did was I acquired skills and moved where opportunities were. I've moved 7 times in the past decade and 4 times in the past 6 years. There were risks involved and nobody told me how it was going to work out... I just did it because I've got confidence and some ambition.

Want to be a Millionaire as a Millenial? Pretty simple, for starters don't live in super expensive CMAs like Toronto or Vancouver. Second of all, if everyone else is doing it, it's probably not a very good way to make $$$.


I have chased assignments outside the major metropolitan areas. My wife and I have one child and a second one on the way. I am turning 40 this year and my wife is 34.

I worked in Military, Transportation and now Metals & Mining. It's at the point now where we are able to live on one income. I own a house and make a substantial amount of $$$. Enough to own multiple vehicles, support a family of four, own our own home, have substantial investments, etc.

My wife worked but now she doesn't for the time being. We want kids and she wants 18 months off, which she already took for our last child so we made the decision for her to not work. She likes working but I would say since having children, her priorities have changed, she doesn't care so much about her career anymore and wants to focus on our kids. We are fortunate that I make the kind of $$$ I do for her to be able to do that.

That's my situation and I know it's not the norm though. I have an incredibly obscure CV with a bunch of difficult to obtain certifications that can't really be recreated easily. Some of them I acquired by luck, a lot of them I got by grinding from the time I was 18 until now.

I sometimes think we aren't doing that well because I compare it to what my parents were able to have at our age but then I realize that's also not realistic. The average person can't afford anything near what I can afford or live the life I live. The workforce and government systems are also not designed to support hard work, because Canada has a serious case of tall-poppy syndrome. My wife isn't working so I am supporting my entire family.... Do I get a tax break? Nope. We actually get taxed more than if my wife and I were both working and making the same amount collectively. Can I access any Govt programs my $$$ pays for? Nope.

I am anti-big Govt for the most part. I want them involved as little as possible in my life. I also want to keep as much of my $$$ for my family as possible.

and just how many couples that you know can afford to take time off to have kids or even more relevant have a residence that is kid friendly. Condos may suit couples but they are definitely not designed for families and for most couples condos are about all they can afford.
I know a few and they are all in my friends circle. They of course all have high paying jobs, own houses, married, etc.

If you want to be successful, you also need to associate yourself with other successful people.
 
I actually liked it better when under the Harper Govt, you got a tax credit per child. Spend it on child care or have a family member care for your children- your choice.

This $10/day childcare fiction is just a grift industry.

HB above makes a great point, too. There are GREAT opportunities for earning big dollars in lower cost locales in Canada, if you are willing to relocate out of the big metro areas.
 
I actually liked it better when under the Harper Govt, you got a tax credit per child. Spend it on child care or have a family member care for your children- your choice.

This $10/day childcare fiction is just a grift industry.

HB above makes a great point, too. There are GREAT opportunities for earning big dollars in lower cost locales in Canada, if you are willing to relocate out of the big metro areas.
Yah, the $10/day is 100% just grift. I spend $1900.00 a month on childcare right now and I pay more in taxes than most people make in a year. The Harper System was way better and could have been improved upon and was better for families.

I don't see the problems of today as any different from the problems my parents or others faced. My parents both relocated away from their families to earn a living back in the late 70s/early 80s. You need to chase opportunities. It's never been easier to chase opportunities with the benefits of modern technology and tools like Amazon Prime. Want something? It's delivered to your house almost instantly. Want a job? It's a global marketplace. My current employer had operations in 34 countries... my long term goal is to get an overseas posting that will pay big $$$ to skilled expats.

I also think the opportunity to move on someone else's dime is a great way to socialize my children, have them experience different cultures and meet different people.

For anyone who is young, GTHO of your parents basement and start grinding. I left home at 18 and haven't looked back, all of my friends did the same.
 
I am actually surprised by the number of young families I see here in North Vancouver. I was able to meet the replacement rate, having 2 kids and importing my wife! We managed to survive on 1 pay cheque and pay off the house while my wife raised the kids, we did it because housing costs were more realistic then and my wife was draconian on our spending habits. We now have a tidy sum in investments to cover our senior years.

I feel for young people today trying to get a place to live and build up a nest egg. I used to tell people to watch their pennies, but at some point, the cost of living outstripped their ability to save. It's still good advice to watch the outflow of money, people forget how all these subscriptions and fancy coffees add up every month.
 
I am actually surprised by the number of young families I see here in North Vancouver. I was able to meet the replacement rate, having 2 kids and importing my wife! We managed to survive on 1 pay cheque and pay off the house while my wife raised the kids, we did it because housing costs were more realistic then and my wife was draconian on our spending habits. We now have a tidy sum in investments to cover our senior years.

I feel for young people today trying to get a place to live and build up a nest egg. I used to tell people to watch their pennies, but at some point, the cost of living outstripped their ability to save. It's still good advice to watch the outflow of money, people forget how all these subscriptions and fancy coffees add up every month.
Most of us are just quiet... we don't say much and don't interact with others. Vancouver and Victoria are filled with thousands of young people who work in Tech, as Engineers, etc... who make big $$$. My wife worked in financial services and dealt with many young people... people who worked for companies like Shopify and had a + $1 million in assets and they were like 30ish years old.
 
I actually liked it better when under the Harper Govt, you got a tax credit per child. Spend it on child care or have a family member care for your children- your choice.

This $10/day childcare fiction is just a grift industry.

HB above makes a great point, too. There are GREAT opportunities for earning big dollars in lower cost locales in Canada, if you are willing to relocate out of the big metro areas.
Here in NS the daycare plan under Trudeau led to a net 900 person REDUCTION in childcare spaces as former real business's could not provide services at $10 per day per child. Most of the Trudeau paid for new business's had" wink, wink" already made their client lists.
 
I think there is a lack of individual accountability and just a lack of ambition overall these days.

Perhaps they place a higher priority on autonomy, work-life balance, personal well-being , mental health, flexibility, and purposeful work than we did.

Absolute loyalty to the organization was non-negotiable. And, never, never , admit the department has done anything wrong.

Any guy who couldn't buy that better give up and marry the boss's daughter. LOL
 
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