LCBO theft

[Jarnhamar]

They should fire their security guards and use the money to buy their employees pizza on Fridays.

 

[mariomike]

She could have at least helped carry his non-purchases.

 

[lenaitch]

They should fire their security guards and use the money to buy their employees pizza on Fridays.

I highly suspect they are given non-intervention instructions, same as the staff. Assuming that is true, 'why they are there' seems like a good question.

 

[RangerRay]

They probably didn’t want to get brained by a bottle like what happened to the liquor mart clerk in Winnipeg.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They probably didn’t want to get brained by a bottle like what happened to the liquor mart clerk in Winnipeg.

The security guards you need

 

[OldSolduer]

God help her if she done anything to stop them . She'd have been fired and possibly charged

IF she'd intervened yes probably fired. What is the sense of having "security" guards if they cannot secure anything?

 

[GR66]

IF she'd intervened yes probably fired. What is the sense of having "security" guards if they cannot secure anything?

Psychological deterrence against all but the most brazen of thieves?

 

[OldSolduer]

Psychological deterrence against all but the most brazen of thieves?

Giving you the illusion of safety.
I’d prefer a pick handle over the wrists of said thief

 

[mariomike]

What is the sense of having "security" guards if they cannot secure anything?

Window dressing?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Should install doors that

I highly suspect they are given non-intervention instructions, same as the staff. Assuming that is true, 'why they are there' seems like a good question.

Unless you have a "Use of Force" course** intervention would open you up to being charged if you injury the culprit and possibly sued.

** Just curious but can security guards with proper training carry pepper spray?

 

[brihard]

Man, this came full circle quick. We were talking about police response to petty theft not long ago at all.

So, stepping back from this specific situation because Fyke did not have objectively reasonable grounds to believe, and speaking about petty theft more generally:

Parliament has not set a hard floor of value below which theft is not criminal. Theft is theft, however nominal theft value or how wealthy the victim. Theft is always going to be arrestable. In fact, the public has demanded that shoplifting and retail theft be taken more seriously, and that store staff and security be more empowered and protected in combating it. The power for a non-peace officer to arrest a shoplifter has been reaffirmed. Generally, the public tends to show a lot of frustration when police don’t take petty theft seriously. But then when we do arrest and charge, others think we’re too heavy handed.

How many members get sent to a call will always depend on how it triaged against what else is sitting in the patrol queue, and the degree of risk. If members are tied up at something more serious, lucky day for the shoplifter. But if there are units free and someone has kept continuity on a suspect, why not attend, investigate to the degree necessary, and, if grounds exist, arrest? Bear in mind an arrest is just that; it doesn’t mean a charge. But it does serve to identify the suspect(s), and a lot of times, minor criminality, promptly acted upon, reveals more significant crimes, or breaches of bail, probation, etc.

But in the eye of the public, it’s damned if we do, damned if we don’t, because the public is very disparately factionalized with regards to what kind of policing they want to see. It is what it is.

 

[ModlrMike]

Why do they not have controlled entry and exit? It's not like there's a working solution in a neighbouring jurisdiction or anything.

 

[lenaitch]

** Just curious but can security guards with proper training carry pepper spray?

No. Prohibited weapon.

If liquor agencies are not willing to have exit control, they need entry control.

Dude kept saying "sorry". He was shopping for someone.

 

[mariomike]

The ironic thing is , liquor store robberies are likely less lucrative now with customers paying with credit cards.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

No. Prohibited weapon.

If liquor agencies are not willing to have exit control, they need entry control.

Dude kept saying "sorry". He was shopping for someone.

I believe the justice institute here offers a course for that level of non-lethal for security guards, but very few get that level of training.

 

[mariomike]

They lock up toothpaste. Surprised they don’t remove alcohol off the shelves , and put it back behind the counter. Like they used to.

Pay first. Then they handed you your bottle.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

No. Prohibited weapon.

I didn't think so, but thanks for confirming it.

If liquor agencies are not willing to have exit control, they need entry control.

I was thinking of an "air lock" set of door.

When entering store outer door opens, you step in, door closes behind you, then inner door opens, you enter store. Same procedure for leaving, except in reverse. If someone steals merchandise and try to exit, staff can hit a button that locks both doors trapping thieves inside.

 

[mariomike]

When entering store outer door opens, you step in, door closes behind you, then inner door opens, you enter store. Same procedure for leaving, except in reverse. If someone steals merchandise and try to exit, staff can hit a button that locks both doors trapping thieves inside.

Aka Sallyport.

 

[GR66]

I didn't think so, but thanks for confirming it.

I was thinking of an "air lock" set of door.

When entering store outer door opens, you step in, door closes behind you, then inner door opens, you enter store. Same procedure for leaving, except in reverse. If someone steals merchandise and try to exit, staff can hit a button that locks both doors trapping thieves inside.

Some Jewelry stores do this but the number of customers they serve at any one time is pretty small. Imagine the line ups - both outside and inside the store - at Christmas or long weekends when only one customer at a time can be entering/exiting the store at a time through the "air lock"? It would make the COVID one-way store aisles look like expressways!

If you're not strictly enforcing the one person at a time system in the air lock then you potentially risk locking an innocent customer in the air lock with the criminal with potentially dangerous consequences.