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[Halifax Tar]

One of the Grand Chiefs already roasted Wab while a former chief is all for scrapping it

I am almost certain that when people say they support scrapping the Indian Act, they often mean doing away with it in name only.

I find it difficult to believe that many communities would be willing to relinquish the significant funding, programs, and legal protections that are currently tied to it. While there is certainly room for debate about reform or replacement, any discussion needs to acknowledge the practical realities and incentives involved.

 

[dapaterson]

Sounds right.

Treating all FNs the same is like treating VanDoos, The RCR and PPCLI the same.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Treating all FNs the same is like treating VanDoos, The RCR and PPCLI the same.

Don’t forget throwing every Reserve infantry regiment and their dress uniforms in there.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Don’t forget throwing every Reserve infantry regiment and their dress uniforms in there.

Heck, try coming up with a consensus view on a position on, say, veterans' issues from all the groups involved, right?

 

[Eaglelord17]

Heck, try coming up with a consensus view on a position on, say, veterans' issues from all the groups involved, right?

Looks a bit like this…

 

[The Bread Guy]

One of the Grand Chiefs already roasted Wab while a former chief is all for scrapping it

And the array of opinions continues ....

Chiefs question motive behind Indian Act talks after meeting with Carney, premiers

First Nations chiefs who attended a closed-door meeting with Mark Carney and premiers last month say their concerns were overshadowed by Wab Kinew’s call for the abolition of the Indian Act.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[daftandbarmy]

And the array of opinions continues ....

Chiefs question motive behind Indian Act talks after meeting with Carney, premiers

First Nations chiefs who attended a closed-door meeting with Mark Carney and premiers last month say their concerns were overshadowed by Wab Kinew’s call for the abolition of the Indian Act.

www.ctvnews.ca

This just in... First Nations are kind of like us in more ways than one

The myth of indigenous utopia

In the beginning, Canada was good, pure, and peaceful. Then the Europeans came, and it all went to hell. This creation and fall story has been cribbed from Genesis to frame today’s powerful aboriginal grievance and entitlement narrative. Its authors are now suggesting that redemption lies in a return to indigenous utopia. But the devil’s in the historical details, writes Hymie Rubenstein, and he was just as busy in pre-Columbian Canada as anywhere else.

In every other culture but Sinclair’s, apparently, infanticide was used to control population growth beyond the environmental carrying capacity of stone-age hunters and gatherers; ethnic cleansing was undertaken against alien neighbours when local groups exceeded the demographic sustainability of their territories under simple forms of farming; cannibalism was practiced as a response to hunger or to capture the spiritual power of competitors; wholesale extermination of enemies – genocide – was organized and executed to seize territory or eliminate military threats; and just about any alien group (now called “subalterns” in Marxist postcolonial studies) was subject to enslavement in support of forced labour, sexual exploitation, trade, or status enhancement.

The myth of indigenous utopia | C2C Journal

Was pre-contact Canada a peaceful indigenous utopia? Hymie Rubenstein tests that popular origin story against the historical record.

c2cjournal.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

Here's one way to try to keep more contraband out of remote Ontario First Nations - let's see how it goes.

Arriving flight passengers to be searched - MBC Radio

Photo: The Nishnawbe Aski Police Service (NAPS) border control pilot program was officially launched on Monday at the Thunder Bay International Airport in northern Ontario. (Nishnawbe Aski Nation/Facebook) By Carl Clutchey Local Journalism Initiative Reporter The Chronicle-Journal A pilot...

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NAPS Launches Border Control Pilot Program to Help Disrupt Drug Trade, Enhance Community Safety and Security - Nishnawbe Aski Nation

(THUNDER BAY, ON) – The Nishnawbe Aski Police Service formally launched its NAPS Border Control (NBC) pilot program, providing participating remote First Nation communities with additional support and tools to help maintain public safety and security. The program’s launch was […]

www.nan.ca

NAPS Border Control - Nishnawbe Aski Police Service

www.naps.ca

Starting with Eabametoong, Sandy Lake, Sachigo Lake, Kasabonika Lake and Kashechewan.

 

[brihard]

Here's one way to try to keep more contraband out of remote Ontario First Nations - let's see how it goes.

Arriving flight passengers to be searched - MBC Radio

Photo: The Nishnawbe Aski Police Service (NAPS) border control pilot program was officially launched on Monday at the Thunder Bay International Airport in northern Ontario. (Nishnawbe Aski Nation/Facebook) By Carl Clutchey Local Journalism Initiative Reporter The Chronicle-Journal A pilot...

www.mbcradio.com

NAPS Launches Border Control Pilot Program to Help Disrupt Drug Trade, Enhance Community Safety and Security - Nishnawbe Aski Nation

(THUNDER BAY, ON) – The Nishnawbe Aski Police Service formally launched its NAPS Border Control (NBC) pilot program, providing participating remote First Nation communities with additional support and tools to help maintain public safety and security. The program’s launch was […]

www.nan.ca

NAPS Border Control - Nishnawbe Aski Police Service

www.naps.ca

Starting with Eabametoong, Sandy Lake, Sachigo Lake, Kasabonika Lake and Kashechewan.

It’ll be interesting once someone challenges a search arising out of that in court. I see no established legal authority for such a search. They’re basically trying to assume a legal authority akin to the diminished expectation of privacy at Canada’s national border.

It’s one thing to recognize First Nations having the legal authority to legislate equivalents to provincial statute; that’s a thing already. But this essentially usurps federal authority and could set significant precedent if upheld.

 

[Haggis]

It’ll be interesting once someone challenges a search arising out of that in court. I see no established legal authority for such a search. They’re basically trying to assume a legal authority akin to the diminished expectation of privacy at Canada’s national border.

It’s one thing to recognize First Nations having the legal authority to legislate equivalents to provincial statute; that’s a thing already. But this essentially usurps federal authority and could set significant precedent if upheld.

Many years ago while helping out on some FN police use of force training, I was told by officers from northern communities that it was SOP to search arriving southerners for alcohol. The authority allegedly arose from s 85.1 of the Indian Act.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not seeing an authority to search upon arriving. If they are flying in, searching them and their gear would be covered under aviation security acts, as long as it was done at pre-boarding.

AI Overview


Section 85.1 of Canada's Indian Act authorizes a First Nation band council to make local by-laws regarding intoxicants on its reserve. [1]

Key Powers of Band Councils
Under Section 85.1(1), a band council may pass by-laws to:

• • Prohibit the sale, barter, supply, or manufacture of intoxicants on the reserve. [1]
  • Prohibit any person from being intoxicated on the reserve. [1]
  • Prohibit any person from having intoxicants in their possession on the reserve. [1]
  • Provide for exceptions to the possession or intoxication prohibitions (such as prescription medication containing alcohol). [1, 2]

Requirements for Enactment

• • Electors' Assent: A by-law under this section cannot take effect unless it is first approved by a majority of band electors voting at a special meeting called specifically for that purpose. [1]

Offences and Penalties
Violating a Section 85.1 by-law is a summary conviction offence: [1]

• • Sale, barter, supply, or manufacture: Punishable by a fine of up to $1,000, imprisonment for up to six months, or both. [1]
  • Intoxication or possession: Punishable by a fine of up to $100, imprisonment for up to three months, or both. [1]

 

[The Bread Guy]

It’ll be interesting once someone challenges a search arising out of that in court. I see no established legal authority for such a search. They’re basically trying to assume a legal authority akin to the diminished expectation of privacy at Canada’s national border.

It’s one thing to recognize First Nations having the legal authority to legislate equivalents to provincial statute; that’s a thing already. But this essentially usurps federal authority and could set significant precedent if upheld.

I briefly touched the edge of this file in a previous life, and that was the big obstacle. We’ll see if enabling band council resolutions from the pilot communities (links at the bottom of the NAPS page I shared) will be enough, for sure. During COVID, some FNs got legal help to draft BCRs to allow mirroring provincial rules to allow mobility restrictions.

Many years ago while helping out on some FN police use of force training, I was told by officers from northern communities that it was SOP to search arriving southerners for alcohol. The authority allegedly arose from s 85.1 of the Indian Act.

As of 3 years ago, not many communities did that - and only on an ad hoc basis - because of the points @brihard made. We’ll see if the legal scaffolding put into in place, such as it is, stands.

 

[Haggis]

As of 3 years ago, not many communities did that - and only on an ad hoc basis - because of the points @brihard made. We’ll see if the legal scaffolding in place, such as it is, stands.

As I noted, this would've been 20 odd years ago. There were a few officers from northern FN police services such as NAPS and Treaty Three Police. Most of the attendees were from southern ones like AMPS, Tyendinaga Police and Kahnawake Peacekeepers.