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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2008, 20:59:08 »
CIC Officers are not Primary Reservists, but are Reservists.

They are not eligible for BClass contracts unless in a position directly supporting the Canadian Cadet Movement. These rules changed a few years ago. They are also not deployable in the CIC capacity as a ResF member (even should they volunteer to do so).

Right and with that they are a SUB- Component of the Reserves.

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Composition of the Reserve Force

The Reserve Force is organized into four sub-components:

The Supplementary Reserve (Supp Res)

The primary purpose of the Supp Res is to augment the other components and sub-components of the CF with previously trained personnel in times of national emergency or mobilization. Its secondary purpose is to augment the other components and sub-components of the CF when required during normal peacetime situations.

The Supp Res consists of officers and non-commissioned members who are former members of any other component or sub-component of the CF. Selected personnel without previous military experience who have special skills or expertise for which there is a military requirement may also be members of the Supp Res. The Supp Res is managed by the Assistant Deputy Minister Human Resources (Military)

The Cadet Instructors Cadre (CIC)

The Cadet Instructors Cadre (CIC) consists of 6,000 commissioned officers of the Sea, Land and Air environments whose primary responsibility is the supervision, administration and training of Cadets. Many CIC Officers are former Cadets themselves. Other sources of enrolment in the CIC are interested parents of Cadets, and ex-members of the Regular Force and Primary Reserve. The CIC provides the majority of staff for the Cadet Summer Training Centres (CSTC) which operate in 27 locations across the country.

The Canadian Rangers

The Canadian Rangers are organized into patrol groups and patrols. These are assigned on a geographical basis to Land Force Command (LFC) and Canadian Forces Northern Area (CFNA) Headquarters (HQ). LFC HQ has delegated control of patrols down to the Area Headquarters which are responsible for domestic operations. Generally, the Rangers provide a military presence in those areas which cannot conveniently or economically be provided by other components of the Canadian Forces. Currently there are approximately 3000 personnel serving in the Canadian Rangers.

Members of the Canadian Rangers usually function individually and, in conjunction with their civilian occupations, perform the following tasks without pay:

· Report any suspicious or unusual activities in their respective areas; and

· Collect detailed information concerning their local area which may be of value to the Canadian Forces

Tasks, which the responsible commander may assign to members of the Canadian Rangers, are:

· Participating in Canadian Forces exercises

· Providing guides and rescue parties for military purposes

· Assisting in immediate local defence by containing or observing small enemy detachments pending the arrival of other forces

· Assisting the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) or provincial police in the discovery, reporting and apprehension of enemy agents or saboteurs

· Supporting Search and Rescue operations

The Primary Reserve (P Res)

The Primary Reserve consists of officers and non-commissioned members, who may be ordered to perform such duty and training as may be required of them. The Primary Reserve is composed of the following elements and has been assigned planning strengths as indicated:

· Naval Reserve 4000 — 5000

· Militia 18500 — 20500

· Air Reserve 3000 — 5000

· Communication Reserve 1000 — 1500

· NDHQ Primary Reserve List (PRL) 200 — 400

The Primary Reserve is commanded by the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) through the Commanders of the Commands, and in some cases through the Commanders of intermediate formations, in the same manner as the Regular Force. The NDHQ PRL is an organization which was established to provide administrative support to members of the Reserve that are employed within the NDHQ. It is administered by the Director Establishments and Personnel Requirements (DEPR).
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2008, 20:59:26 »
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2008, 21:08:07 »
Reccesoldier, I'm afraid you're a bit confused.. the CIC is its own part of the ResF, and is seperate and distinct from the PRes.  That said, they can still (and do) work Class B contracts like the rest of the ResF.

No, not like the rest of the ResF, and quite unlike the PRes. The CIC are limited to BClass posns in direct support of the CCM as they are not members of the Primary Reserve (DAOD 5023-1 refers).

CANFORGEN 081/05 VCDS 016 270938Z APR 05 refers:

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ANFORGEN 081/05 VCDS 016 270938Z APR 05
CLARIFICATION ON THE USE OF CADET INSTRUCTOR CADRE (CIC) OFFICERS OUTSIDE THE CANADIAN CADET MOVEMENT
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REFS: A. DGRC MESSAGE 488 011853Z SEP 98
B. D RES MESSAGE 311 041411Z FEB 04

THIS MESSAGE REPLACES REFERENCE B. THE POLICY ON TERMS OF SERVICE FOR CIC OFFICERS HAS BEEN APPLIED INCONSISTENTLY OVER THE YEARS. WITH THE IMPENDING IMPLEMENTATION OF AN OCCUPATIONAL STRUCTURE FOR CIC OFFICERS SOME OF THE ISSUES REGARDING PERMISSIBLE USE OF CIC OFFRS WILL BE RESOLVED. THERE STILL MAY BE SOME AGENCIES OUTSIDE THE CCM WHO UNKNOWINGLY MISUSE MEMBERS OF THE CIC. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO REITERATE THE POLICY THAT CIC OFFICERS WILL NOT BE USED OUTSIDE THE CCM

THE PRIMARY DUTY OF A CIC OFFICER IS THE SAFETY, SUPERVISION, ADMINISTRATION, AND TRAINING OF CADETS. AS DEFINED IN QR&O 2.034(C), THE RAISON D'ETRE OF CIC OFFICERS IS TO BE EXPERTS IN YOUTH LEADERSHIP ON BEHALF OF THE CF

THE PURPOSE OF REFERENCE A WAS TO REMIND EMPLOYERS THAT THE CIC HAT BADGE IS NOT BE USED AS A BADGE OF CONVENIENCE TO ALLOW PERSONNEL TO LEAVE THE REGULAR FORCE OR THE PRIMARY RESERVE AT THE AGE OF 55 AND CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE IN THE CF WHILE WEARING THE CIC HAT BADGE AND CONTINUING IN THEIR SAME JOB UNTIL THE AGE OF 65 - THE CRA FOR CIC OFFICERS. THE MESSAGE STATED, IT IS ONLY WHEN HE/SHE IS EMPLOYED IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF CCO ACTIVITIES THAT A CIC OFFICER OR A SUPP RES MEMBER ATTACHED TO THE CIC MAY BE ON ACTIVE SERVICE UNTIL AGE 65. THE MESSAGE WENT ON TO STATE, ACTION ADDRESSES ARE TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ENSURE THAT ABUSES OF THIS TYPE CEASE IMMEDIATELY.

REFERENCE B WAS ISSUED TO REINFORCE REFERENCE A AND TO END THE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF CIC OFFICERS IN POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE CCM. IN REFERENCE B, DRES STATED, THE AIM OF THIS DIRECTION IS TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CIC OFFICERS OUTSIDE OF THE CCO ON NON-CADET RELATED ACTIVITIES. EVENTUALLY CIC OFFICERS WILL BE USED ONLY IN CHIEF OF RESERVE AND CADETS DIVISION, CADET UNITS, REGIONAL CADET SUPPORT UNITS OR DETACHMENTS, CADET SUMMER TRAINING CENTERS (CSTCS), GLIDING SCHOOLS, SAIL CENTERS, AS STAFF OFFICERS ON PROJECTS OR IN OTHER STAFF POSITIONS THAT CAN BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SUPPORT OF CIC OR CADET RELATED ACTIVITIES. CIC OFFICERS WERE REMINDED THAT IF THEY WISHED TO CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE OUTSIDE THE CCM, THEY SHOULD REQUEST A TRANSFER TO THE PRES

HENCEFORTH, CIC OFFICERS WILL ONLY BE USED ON CADET-RELATED ACTIVITIES AND ONLY IN THOSE POSITIONS DETAILED IN PARAGRAPH FOUR. NO CIC OFFICER CURRENTLY ON RESERVE SERVICE OUTSIDE THE CCM (OR FORMER CIC OFFICERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SUPP RES OR ATTACHED FROM THE SUPP RES) WILL BE EXTENDED BEYOND THE COMPLETION OF HIS OR HER CURRENT ONE YEAR TERM OF SERVICE. QUESTIONS REGARDING PERMISSIBLE EMPLOYMENT ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE DRES STAFF AT DGRC. FURTHER, ALL REGIONAL COMMANDERS ARE TO CONDUCT A STAFF CHECK TO CONFIRM THAT ALL CIC OFFICERS ON THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS OCCUPY CIC POSITIONS AND THAT ALL THOSE CIC OFFICERS ARE WORKING IN POSITIONS THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE CCM. YOUR STAFFS ARE TO INFORM BOTH DRES AND DCDTS OF THE RESULT OF THIS STAFF CHECK BY 31 MAY 05.THE RESULT OF THIS STAFF CHECK BE COMPARED WITH EXISTING RPSR DATA TO CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF CIC OFFICERS WHO REMAIN EMPLOYED OUTSIDE THE CCM

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO REITERATE THE POLICY THAT CIC OFFICERS WILL NOT BE USED OUTSIDE THE CCM....

CIC OFFICERS WERE REMINDED THAT IF THEY WISHED TO CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE OUTSIDE THE CCM, THEY SHOULD REQUEST A TRANSFER TO THE PRES....
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2008, 21:10:13 »
Right and with that they are a SUB- Component of the Reserves.


Then why did you agree with this post?? Note very carefully what he says ... Hint: look for the word "primary" !!  >:D

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2008, 21:11:17 »
oopsie missed that point.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2008, 21:13:30 »
oopsie missed that point.

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2008, 21:15:45 »
I'm going to get the whip.  ;D

I might like it too much  ;D
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2008, 21:18:16 »
I guess when command made going to Scotian a mandatory event, they didn't count on the Minister being a pin cushion >:D. I guess i'll wade in on this one. I'm a reservist who have been full time for the last 14 years, over five of them been Class C. I have the same responsibilities as my regular force counterpart and I am getting Class C, yet another person who is serving next to me say in a OJT billet is getting 85% or in a shore billet like in the BOR doing the same job as the reg force clerk. Whatever happened to equal pay for equal work. As a Class C, I sign a contract that says I can be deployed anywhere the CF tells me to go.  My opinion is that if you wear the uniform, you should be prepared to go ANYWHERE the military tells you to go,that should be the same for Class B. People are always telling me join the reg force, I have my reasons not wanting to join. I think there should be some sort of restructuring, say having a active duty reserve vice a inactive duty reserve like the US military. With the manpower shortages we have now, the forces need the reserves and we shouldn't be utilized as a cheap source of labour. Remember all the years when we were paid 65%.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2008, 21:21:34 »
I guess when command made going to Scotian a mandatory event, they didn't count on the Minister being a pin cushion >:D. I guess i'll wade in on this one. I'm a reservist who have been full time for the last 14 years, over five of them been Class C. I have the same responsibilities as my regular force counterpart and I am getting Class C, yet another person who is serving next to me say in a OJT billet is getting 85% or in a shore billet like in the BOR doing the same job as the reg force clerk. Whatever happened to equal pay for equal work. As a Class C, I sign a contract that says I can be deployed anywhere the CF tells me to go.  My opinion is that if you wear the uniform, you should be prepared to go ANYWHERE the military tells you to go,that should be the same for Class B. People are always telling me join the reg force, I have my reasons not wanting to join. I think there should be some sort of restructuring, say having a active duty reserve vice a inactive duty reserve like the US military. With the manpower shortages we have now, the forces need the reserves and we shouldn't be utilized as a cheap source of labour. Remember all the years when we were paid 65%.

So if its such a big deal and your already doing the same job with the same pay/deployments....why dont you join the reg force?

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2008, 21:24:02 »
I guess when command made going to Scotian a mandatory event, they didn't count on the Minister being a pin cushion >:D. I guess i'll wade in on this one. I'm a reservist who have been full time for the last 14 years, over five of them been Class C. I have the same responsibilities as my regular force counterpart and I am getting Class C, yet another person who is serving next to me say in a OJT billet is getting 85% or in a shore billet like in the BOR doing the same job as the reg force clerk. Whatever happened to equal pay for equal work. As a Class C, I sign a contract that says I can be deployed anywhere the CF tells me to go.  My opinion is that if you wear the uniform, you should be prepared to go ANYWHERE the military tells you to go,that should be the same for Class B. People are always telling me join the reg force, I have my reasons not wanting to join. I think there should be some sort of restructuring, say having a active duty reserve vice a inactive duty reserve like the US military. With the manpower shortages we have now, the forces need the reserves and we shouldn't be utilized as a cheap source of labour. Remember all the years when we were paid 65%.

But there's the kicker of the difference between you (C Class) and a B Class. A B Class pers is only a short term contract, for example to fill in for one of my troops while she completes her maternity leave and he is therefore not deployable, further taskable to CFSAL/TAVs etc (even with LOTS of notice, unlike some of my RegF troops who find themselves with as little as 24 hours notice before being sent away to teach for 12-16 weeks etc away from their families). <--- You see ... WE RegF get "short term employment" in other places too --- but we do NOT have the option of saying no, even with as little as 24hour notice / the job requirements are VASTLY different ... it is not a case of unequal pay for equal work. Rather it's a case a RegF (or Class C) being paid more exactly because we have no choice, no say, and WILL do (or go to jail); not will do if we feel like it.

You, being C Class, are on a long term contract --- subject to the same rig-a-ma-roll that the RegF guy/gal next to you is ... and you get 100% of the pay to show for it.
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« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2008, 21:25:14 »
Whatever happened to equal pay for equal work.

Class A and Class B service is Not equal work

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2008, 21:33:30 »
But there's the kicker of the difference between you (C Class) and a B Class. A B Class pers is only a short term contract, for example to fill in for one of my troops while she completes her maternity leave and he is therefore not deployable, further taskable to CFSAL/TAVs etc (even with LOTS of notice, unlike some of my RegF troops who find themselves with as little as 24 hours notice before being sent away to teach for 12-16 weeks etc away from their families).

You, being C Class, are on a long term contract --- subject to the same rig-a-ma-roll that the RegF guy/gal next to you is ... and you get 100% of the pay to show for it.

Vern, for us (Navy) Class B pers on also on long term contracts (up to 3 years). If I want to say have a shore posting i'm expected to take a 15% pay cut, even though while ashore i'm either teaching or performing a variation of my job on ship. In some cases we are utilized to teach regular force personnel while ashore.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2008, 21:35:06 »
Vern, for us (Navy) Class B pers on also on long term contracts (up to 3 years). If I want to say have a shore posting i'm expected to take a 15% pay cut, even though while ashore i'm either teaching or performing a variation of my job on ship. In some cases we are utilized to teach regular force personnel while ashore.

Can you be tasked out of the area and away from home (and your family) to a school in .... hmmm... Borden, Ontario for 16 weeks to instruct on a PLQ with 24hours NTM right now?

What if they moved the Fleet School to Petawawa --- would you take a posting there (not that you could be posted [because ResF members can't be posted like RegF people who get shipped out to holes all the time whether we like it or not ...] --- but would you??) (I'll go easy on the Fleet School to Pet idea --- it is so assinine they just might like it!!)

Answer very carefully ...  >:D
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2008, 21:38:30 »
So if its such a big deal and your already doing the same job with the same pay/deployments....why dont you join the reg force?

Like I said in my earlier post, I have my reasons. Especially because it involves a substantial rank adjustment.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2008, 21:40:44 »
WRT NavRes sailors, there are a large number of them who have been employed on multiple long term class B contracts rotating through various positions for 8, 10, or 15 years. With minimal time in class A positions waiting for the next class B opening.

Those long term class B sailors must also sign a terms of service, with unlimited liability, just like the class C sailor, with the same obligation to serve as directed. WithVern's question on being tasked away, yes often the NavRes Recruiters are tasked to NRTD in Borden for the BRT courses through the year. Duty watches, ships slipping in ports and other duties are assigned and met as directed by class B.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2008, 21:45:49 »
Like I said in my earlier post, I have my reasons. Especially because it involves a substantial rank adjustment.

If your doing the same job as other reg force PO's wouldnt that make you as qualified?So why would you lose rank?Or are the regualr force members more qualified...you have me confused now.

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2008, 21:50:06 »
Can you be tasked out of the area and away from home (and your family) to a school in .... hmmm... Borden, Ontario for 16 weeks to instruct on a PLQ with 24hours NTM right now?


Answer very carefully ...  >:D

Ref short term taskings  and the over night train to Borden. We can all see its possible but I don`t hear it happening over and over and over.

Half this forum is arguing the hard headed reg force join us or nothing approach - part is arguing if I`m in reserves and done my training and have time in I MAY want to control my own destiny.

But if the skills and qualifications are equal is being avoided.

So lets focus on get trained - get time in - it shouldn't matter if you are qualified.

When the gap is closed - even the dumbest Liberal ex Defence Hack should agree that there is a strong basis for equal pay when the gaps are closed.

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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2008, 21:53:55 »
Can you be tasked out of the area and away from home (and your family) to a school in .... hmmm... Borden, Ontario for 16 weeks to instruct on a PLQ with 24hours NTM right now?

What if they moved the Fleet School to Petawawa --- would you take a posting there (not that you could be posted [because ResF members can't be posted like RegF people who get shipped out to holes all the time whether we like it or not ...] --- but would you??) (I'll go easy on the Fleet School to Pet idea --- it is so assinine they just might like it!!)

Answer very carefully ...  >:D

Well I never been tasked to go to Borden, however i'v been given 2 days notice to sail to Europe for a guy who was Dagged red at the last moment. I also have gotten home after a several month trip and given a couple of days notice and been expected to sail on another ship for another couple of months deployment a number of times. Things like that are happening much often.
If they moved the fleet school to Petawawa from Quebec, to be honest that would be a improvement 8). But seriously being in the Navy and in a hard sea trade, that doesn't usually happen. IF it did, I would suck it up and go.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2008, 21:57:33 »
Those long term class B sailors must also sign a terms of service, with unlimited liability, just like the class C sailor, with the same obligation to serve as directed.

So Nav Res Class B members are subject to additional terms of service and liability above and beyond those in CMP Instruction 20-04?

The "liability" in Class B employment is selective.  You have been hired for a SPECIFIC job and signed an SOU agreeing to that with your employing unit. However, once there your employing unit can employ you in virtually any capacity for which your rank, trade and experience qualfies you.  If the employing unit sees fit to send you to, say, Gagetown (sorry Vern) to teach at CTC, you have two choices:

a. Go.  Have fun.  Don't forget to vist the big gun store in McAdam; or
b. give your 30 day notice and quit.

Simple, eh?

And therein, folks, lies he biggest difference between Reg F and Res F Terms of Service:  CHOICE.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2008, 21:58:18 »
Ref short term taskings  and the over night train to Borden. We can all see its possible but I don`t hear it happening over and over and over.

Half this forum is arguing the hard headed reg force join us or nothing approach - part is arguing if I`m in reserves and done my training and have time in I MAY want to control my own destiny.

But if the skills and qualifications are equal is being avoided.

So lets focus on get trained - get time in - it shouldn't matter if you are qualified.

When the gap is closed - even the dumbest Liberal ex Defence Hack should agree that there is a strong basis for equal pay when the gaps are closed.

So eat your weakest man if you want - it only depletes the sum of us all.

I guess you've never heard of CFSAL ...  ::)

Skills and quals for my trade have only just recently changed --- with SOME now being equal.

I am NOT arguing the RegF vs ResF join us or nothing route.

RegF is good for some pers. ResF is good for some pers.

Some pers never want to be subjected to an NDHQ posting, or a tour to someplace not nice, or to frequent moving of their families and the upheaval upon those spouses and children that causes.

People that don't want that -- most certainly should NOT join the RegF and should remain in the ResF.

SKILLS and QUALS are NOT all that is applicable to this pay equation. We in the RegF who don't agree that ResF members should be paid the same as us, will argue that skills & quals ARE not all that is applicable and that frequent postings, inability to refuse to deploy etc, family upheaval all play a factor in that wage difference.

Those that want equal pay --- will argue that those differences should NOT count ... and will tell us to keep "focused" on the topic when we bring up the obvious differences in the "equitableness of the work", which are the reasons that the pay is NOT equitable.
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2008, 21:59:08 »
Can you be tasked out of the area and away from home (and your family) to a school in .... hmmm... Borden, Ontario for 16 weeks to instruct on a PLQ with 24hours NTM right now?

I'm can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I fully expect that to happen this summer to me.  I have no doubt I'll be told to go somewhere not in Halifax to run a course and I won't have a choice of where it is.  (I'm on a 3 yr contract as a PSYOPS 2IC Class B)
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Re: Reservists want equal pay - Labour minister takes heat
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2008, 22:00:28 »
If your doing the same job as other reg force PO's wouldnt that make you as qualified?So why would you lose rank?Or are the regualr force members more qualified...you have me confused now.

My schooling in my trade is not exactly the same as my regular force counterpart, although I perform the same job on ship. Most other trades are but just say you are a PO, all you can hope for in the regs is LS and still have to do your 3's.
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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2008, 22:02:05 »
Well I never been tasked to go to Borden, however i'v been given 2 days notice to sail to Europe for a guy who was Dagged red at the last moment. I also have gotten home after a several month trip and given a couple of days notice and been expected to sail on another ship for another couple of months deployment a number of times. Things like that are happening much often.
If they moved the fleet school to Petawawa from Quebec, to be honest that would be a improvement 8). But seriously being in the Navy and in a hard sea trade, that doesn't usually happen. IF it did, I would suck it up and go.

In a similar vein, a few years ago while working Class B as the Unit Ops O, I got a call telling me to be on the next plane to Norway.  The Orginal guy got sick and I'm tasked as the replacement.  Where I'm at most of the Class B guys will get tasked this summer.
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« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2008, 22:05:58 »
Personally, I think the 15% is a good price to pay for being my own career manager.
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« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2008, 22:11:06 »
Personally, I think the 15% is a good price to pay for being my own career manager.

I don't think it is when your're trying to raise a family and pay the bills.
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