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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #250 on: May 25, 2016, 08:29:57 »
Unfortunately, it's really not up to your partner as to how many days he takes off.  The medical authorities will decide that.  Although strep throat is usually easily treated with antibiotics, it can get very serious and even fatal, so it needs to be treated properly and rest is a good part of that.  The stress and general exhaustion one experiences on basic training do not create an optimal healing environment, particularly for something like strep.

Nobody thinks you're a hero for toughing out a legitimate illness, particularly if it's communicable (which strep is) and you give it to others!  Yes, it kind of sucks to have to join a later course, but he is unlikely to have to repeat everything.  In the meantime, he's still getting paid and it's all pensionable.  His best bet is to accept things as they are and roll with the punches.  Throwing a temper tantrum at this point won't do him any favours or win him any friends (least of all in the places where they count).
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #251 on: May 25, 2016, 09:30:38 »
You'd think they would accommodate him since he's legitimately not well

The problem is the medical system can't always tell the legitimately injured from the fakers, and there's a lot of fakers out there.  Even when they strongly suspect someone is faking it can be difficult to prove it.

Lots of recruits try and buck the system to get easier times of training and on various exercises. Part of getting re-coursed due to miss training is to help mitigate these cheaters.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #252 on: May 25, 2016, 09:38:44 »
The problem is the medical system can't always tell the legitimately injured from the fakers, and there's a lot of fakers out there. 

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #253 on: May 25, 2016, 12:01:24 »
Many of us here have taught recruits before;  you get fairly good at telling those who are milking it from those who are really sick and need time to get well. 

There's a difference between getting recoursed for something like missed training due to illness and getting recoursed because you weren't meeting the standard.  No one wants to get recoursed for either reason;  moving to a new platoon, new instructors, new recruits, etc but the best advice I can give to him is if he is recoursed, accept it, go to the new platoon and perform.  There will be a feeling out time between him and his new coursemates but that should be brief.  If the recourse was just for missed training due to strep throat, he'll likely fit in with the new folks in a day or two and within no time at all life will be 'back to normal'.

The staff at the school will make a determination if there is the ability to do what is called 'remedial training' (quite normal) in the time available to them.  However, because of so many varying factors, it can often be better for both the recruit and instructional staff to 'recourse' the recruit back even a week or two;  this is not a punishment.  It is just an administrative training procedure that ensures the recruit gets the same training to the same standard as everyone else.  At CFLRS, there are courses in Week 'X' almost every week of the year.  Because of this, the best course of action to meet the recruits' training needs (paramount and far more important than a recruit staying on the same platoon) can often be a recourse. 

Like everyone else, I was once a recruit and the last thing I wanted to do was the ol 'kit bag drag' (recourse) but it happened 27 years ago when I was in Basic, it happened many time between now and then...if it happens, it will suck for a bit and then life will go on.  No one wants to leave their 'new family' during Basic, but it will start a process of learning to adapt to new peers and superiors that will likely be the norm in the first few years in the military anyways.  Once he gets his first posting, he will likely spend time in different Squadrons, troops and crews - working with 'new people' will be normal.  I am aircrew and I rarely fly with the same 'crew' for very long as people are moving around constantly.  Just part of normal life in a crew/troop/Squadron environment (like crewmen work in) and something you get used to really quickly - I was a crewman in a former life.  Its a chance to make new friends and all that stuff too.

Good luck to him, tell him to just keep his stick on the ice no matter what team he ends up on.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2016, 12:16:31 by Eye In The Sky »
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #254 on: May 29, 2016, 13:33:40 »
Wow, thanks everyone! I really appreciate hearing all the insight :) Turns out he only missed one mandatory class, and there were a bunch of other people who missed it as well so they're doing some kind of make-up class. Soooo crisis averted!
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #255 on: June 07, 2017, 12:19:35 »
Hey folks,

I found a lot of posts regarding anxiety, couples, depression, etc. which didn't really answer my concern. I'll tell you a bit about me and from there i hope to get some advices to get ready for my eventual call (turning in the last paper needed for my app. then all there's left is the BMQ date!)

I come from a very poor and psychologically violent background, all of my childhood my father used to mentally abuse me and ruin my self esteem telling me id turn into a useless POS, do nothing, we'd fight when his drunk *** would come home (and my mother has a mental illness meaning shes as crazy and i couldn't really turn to her for support) i've made it through all of this BS and became a rather successful individual (got a good job, a degree, a car etc - not associating success to possession, just giving you an idea that i didnt end up a welfare bum doing drugs like my dad is and projected i'd be)

Which brings me to the point of the post; My self esteem is pretty low even if it shouldn't after making it out of this situation. Im anxious and rather sensitive, i can picture myself crying during the evening after shades of my past but want to succeed BMQ and join the family i never had more than anything. Ive done cadets (never mention that to the instructors, i saw that! lol) so i know the drills and stuff like uniform maintenance, polishing, im not an athlete but im in decent shape.

After my brief therapy group session, i wanted to ask how does one prepare for the coming mental war to break me down with the instructors, or should i go in with the moto ''they cant break me down psychologically if im already down'' (i just memed my post yea boy!) I can't be the only one with confidence issues that's still going in  head first.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #256 on: June 07, 2017, 12:54:35 »
You need to keep in mind that nobody at BMQ is out to get you, at least not until you give them a reason to. It's called playing the game, they can't kill you, hell they can't even hurt you. Everything done there is done for a reason. It's been to thousands before you and will be done to thousands after you. It's nothing personal, don't take it like it is.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #257 on: June 07, 2017, 13:26:08 »
Being selected to join the CAF is an accomplishment unto itself.  A scan of this forum should make it abundantly clear that getting into this outfit is a competitive process, so getting "the call" is already an achievement.  After that, the future will be what you make of it.  No one on BMQ is "out to get you."  In fact, they want you to achieve.  The staff are not praised for the number of people they fail, they are praised for succeeding in getting as many through BMQ as possible, without compromising the standard.

The key to success o BMQ is understanding that it's a game.  They are trying to stress you out.  It's not supposed to be easy, but it's not "hard" either(depending I suppose on your definition of hard).  There will be a lot of yelling and harsh comments.  Don't take them personally - it's not a reflection on your individual worth - they are simply statements to the effect that you don't currently meet a given standard.  Correct yourself, learn from it and not repeat it and all negative things will be forgotten.  It really is that simple.  The most important parts of BMQ are the academics (you have to pass the tests) and fitness (you have to pass the FORCE test), but neither is particularly difficult.  If you finished high school and can run up the stairs without sucking wind, you should be able to pass BMQ.  NO ONE fails BMQ because they can't make a bed properly or polish their shoes, so keep things in perspective.  Finally, work as a team.  Your platoon will be your new family.  Be helpful and you will be helped.  You're all in it together and your biggest goal should be for all of you to finish together.

PS:  Life after BMQ gets much better!
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #258 on: June 07, 2017, 16:23:46 »
i've made it through all of this BS and became a rather successful individual (got a good job, a degree, a car etc <snip> My self esteem is pretty low even if it shouldn't after making it out of this situation.

You have proven yourself, but not, yet, to yourself. You remain your second-worst critic, despite your accomplishments. 'Twould help to overcome that a little and recognize your achievements despite greater obstacles to success than most have faced.

You likely stand a better chance of success through (at least the early part) of a military career because of that ability to succeed, as long as your past does not become a bigger obstacle.

One of the Principles of War is "Select and maintain the aim". Focus on your goal. Do not consider proving your male parental unit wrong. You already know that, so do not let it become a distraction. Know that your coursemates will also suffer lack of confidence and self-doubt at times, whether they show that or not. That is not an unhealthy thing, as it keeps complacency and overconfidence at bay.

Have a little faith in yourself.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #259 on: June 07, 2017, 22:38:44 »
OP, thank you for sharing. Many are too scared, proud or feel shame about feeling things you've shared.

Let me tell you something--there are more people who end up at BMQ with similar backgrounds to yours than you think, including me. I was there for a while and spent significant amounts of time listening to people's stories and sharing some of my own.

In an earlier post of mine I said that one's past can help them and it can also hinder them, and it's absolutely true. I have an awful habit of internalizing, which means I take things very personally. I was raised to believe I was **** and sustained all forms of abuse. (Getting to a point where I know that to be untrue is always a work in progress and might always will be.)

But being on course was excellent for me. It boosted my confidence while I was on it. Despite being perpetually tired, hungry and sore, I was able to do things I never thought I would've been able to while in that state otherwise. I had the chance to bond with some fantastic people and I was fortunate to meet some great staff along the way too.

Like others have said, don't take criticisms from staff personally (nor from pl mates, for that matter--everyone has bouts of grumpiness/irritability when on course). Like I said, given your past, you probably have a strength others may not possess--use it to your advantage.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #260 on: June 12, 2017, 10:53:18 »
Thanks for all the replies folks! Looking forward to receive my date.

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« Reply #261 on: June 12, 2017, 10:59:42 »
Good luck, Falsey. I hope you keep us posted.  :)

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #262 on: June 20, 2017, 16:11:54 »
Well, the last obstacle between civy life and BMQ was my credit background and im getting my clearance letters this week.

Im beyond nervous of the coming events! Time to hit the jog / swimming pool / crossfit gym!

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #263 on: July 12, 2017, 14:11:12 »
I know we have to get a blood sample drawn at BMQ. Does anyone know what exactly is being tested for at St. Jean? I passed my medical (even though we didn't get blood drawn for that) and I have no medical conditions that I know of. I'm just really paranoid about them finding something I don't even know I have. If anyone who was just at BMQ can let me know what they are testing for, and if there is any chance people could end up being medically released from the CAF as a result of this test, that would be appreciated.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #264 on: July 17, 2017, 20:08:19 »
So,  i have a "small" injury on my big toe. To make a long story short my big toenail is dead and will need to come off. I did half the job and the doctor will cut the rest of the cuticle on Wednesday. I'm due to go to BMQ in September. Now i've been able to jog on it and i'm sure i'll be okay in a few days when the new nail comes in but should i inform them? It says it takes 6 months to a year to grow back completely.

Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #265 on: July 17, 2017, 20:35:30 »
< snip > i'm sure i'll be okay in a few days < snip >

I'm due to go to BMQ in September.

Did your doctor say you will be fit for duty by September?

Any help will be appreciated.

Injured before enrollment
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=108831.0

Injury before basic 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=100440.0

Hand Injury 1 week before BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=73676.0

Injury Prior to Enrollment 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=43756.0

Possible Injury Pre-BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=64939.0

sick right before bmq 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=120759.0

Going to BMQ quite sick 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=105656.0

etc...

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of up to date information.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #266 on: July 17, 2017, 20:54:16 »
Did your doctor say you will be fit for duty by September?

Injured before enrollment
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=108831.0

Injury before basic 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=100440.0

Hand Injury 1 week before BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=73676.0

Injury Prior to Enrollment 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=43756.0

Possible Injury Pre-BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=64939.0

sick right before bmq 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=120759.0

Going to BMQ quite sick 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=105656.0

etc...

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of up to date information.

See...i don't have to have it cut off entirely. I can wait until the new nail comes up before anything. It was just annoying that everytime it got under my sock itd give me a jolt. No pain just a argh. I've read up on it and people jog after having it removed so i'm 99.9% sure i'll be fine.

Thanks.

PS...this isn't as severe as a rolled ankle or a ruptured spleen. Thanks.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #267 on: July 17, 2017, 20:59:32 »
Thanks.

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #268 on: July 17, 2017, 23:21:14 »
PS...this isn't as severe as a rolled ankle or a ruptured spleen. Thanks.

Yep.  I wouldn't worry too much.  I had both toenails removed...in Afghanistan.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #269 on: July 30, 2017, 11:41:32 »
Currently on bmoq Rotp course of Mod1, managed to make it through the first few weeks without illness but am being hit hard now by a possible virus.. just want to know from former bmoq graduates missing which classes will put me on a recourse? And what will happen next

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« Reply #270 on: July 30, 2017, 16:23:08 »
If you miss a certain amount of time....i believe 48h of training you will be recoursed. Could be different for basic but those are pretty standard times for the courses I have done in the past.

What will happen is you will be put on light duties until you are better and then at some point you will join another course

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #271 on: July 30, 2017, 17:55:00 »
Currently on bmoq Rotp course of Mod1, managed to make it through the first few weeks without illness but am being hit hard now by a possible virus.. just want to know from former bmoq graduates missing which classes will put me on a recourse? And what will happen next

Although you are BMOQ, you may find this discussion of interest,

Sick time recourse on BMQ (merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=13736.0
2 pages.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #272 on: September 25, 2017, 10:32:29 »
Hey guys, I will be doing bmq in the bext couple months and wondering about benefits (when they kick in) and the prpblem woth a tooth i have.  I have a tooth that was about hald way through the prpcess.of root canal but was unable to finish the procedure because of cost.   Now o feel like tooth has escalated to a level higher of problem.  Will bmq be affected or can I get my teeth looked at?   Looked for some onfo and couldnt find , thanks ahead of time.

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« Reply #273 on: September 25, 2017, 10:40:15 »
I will be doing bmq in the bext couple months and wondering about benefits (when they kick in)

When do medical benefits start?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=101229.0

Benefits 
https://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,98349.msg1005118.html

The Canadian Forces Dental Care Plan
http://www.forces.gc.ca/assets/FORCES_Internet/docs/en/caf-community-benefits/the-canadian-forces-dental-care-plan.pdf

Now o feel like tooth has escalated to a level higher of problem.  Will bmq be affected or can I get my teeth looked at? 

Dental Work During Basic Training 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,113763.msg1285040.html#msg1285040

Sick / Injured before BMQ ( merged )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=73676.0

See also,

Injured before enrollment
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=108831.0

Injury before basic 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=100440.0

Hand Injury 1 week before BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=73676.0

Injury Prior to Enrollment 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=43756.0

Possible Injury Pre-BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=64939.0

sick right before bmq 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=120759.0

Going to BMQ quite sick 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=105656.0

etc...

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of up to date information.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 11:00:07 by mariomike »

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #274 on: September 25, 2017, 11:35:03 »
Thank you!