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If people will be staying at CRPTC (Connaught Ranges), then the conditions are indeed austere. Of the 5 trailer shacks (on Webley) that once stood there, one had to be demolished recently. The others are in equally bad shape, and generally so occupied on weekends that some PRes BMQ course staff have difficulty getting rooms (some even opted for hootches to solve the issue). This is compounded by the fact that DCRA (a civvy shooting organization) is bumping us in priority on shacks. The other accomodations on site include the Bren Gun temporaries which are so full of dead flies (thousands) and their excrement that nary a soul will stay there. Other options are the cadet shelters, which are basically bunk beds in tarp shelters (8 pers to a shelter IIRC) and permanent shower/toilet facilities meant to accomodate the PRes when LFCA Training Centre Meaford had a det for summer training with their Mod Tent concrete pads. Not exactly the best facilities to prep and wear DEU in a manner fitting for a national parade.

Hopefully it isn't CRPTC, because there will already be a PRes BMQ running out of CRPTC on that weekend which generally takes up a trailer shack on it's own, leaving 3 (or bumping us somewhere else).

You'd almost be better with cots on armoury floors, honestly.

....But they do have a decent Mess Hall.   ;D

It is beyond my comprehension why DND has not torn down those mold infested quarters and built one or two Two Hundred Man shacks like they have in Wainwright, Meaford and even in CTC or even those new "Hotel" style quarters they have built in places like CFB Trenton, CFB Kingston and CFB Petawawa.  With the NORTEL Campus practically across the street and Shirley's Bay across the fence, it would have made sense to have built Single Quarters and Transient Quarters out at Connaught years ago. 
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....But they do have a decent Mess Hall.   ;D

It is beyond my comprehension why DND has not torn down those mold infested quarters and built one or two Two Hundred Man shacks like they have in Wainwright, Meaford and even in CTC or even those new "Hotel" style quarters they have built in places like CFB Trenton, CFB Kingston and CFB Petawawa.  With the NORTEL Campus practically across the street and Shirley's Bay across the fence, it would have made sense to have built Single Quarters and Transient Quarters out at Connaught years ago.

Very true about the mess! Better than Normandy Court in my experience. These are the same facilities that made national news a few years ago when they housed WWII vets temporarily for a parade. It does have it's fair share of interesting individuals that call the shacks home permanently though! http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/02/27/military-reservist-charged-with-ottawa-sex-assault



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If people will be staying at CRPTC (Connaught Ranges), then the conditions are indeed austere. Of the 5 trailer shacks (on Webley) that once stood there, one had to be demolished recently. The others are in equally bad shape, and generally so occupied on weekends that some PRes BMQ course staff have difficulty getting rooms (some even opted for hootches to solve the issue). This is compounded by the fact that DCRA (a civvy shooting organization) is bumping us in priority on shacks. The other accomodations on site include the Bren Gun temporaries which are so full of dead flies (thousands) and their excrement that nary a soul will stay there. Other options are the cadet shelters, which are basically bunk beds in tarp shelters (8 pers to a shelter IIRC) and permanent shower/toilet facilities meant to accomodate the PRes when LFCA Training Centre Meaford had a det for summer training with their Mod Tent concrete pads. Not exactly the best facilities to prep and wear DEU in a manner fitting for a national parade.

Hopefully it isn't CRPTC, because there will already be a PRes BMQ running out of CRPTC on that weekend which generally takes up a trailer shack on it's own, leaving 3 (or bumping us somewhere else).

You'd almost be better with cots on armoury floors, honestly.

Oh good lord I hope we're not going to be housing the families and dignitaries of Afghanistan soldiers anywhere on Connaught...  :facepalm: That would get us more attention than the conditions in Sochi leading up to the Olympics...

I hope they would, at the very least, put them up in any of the reasonable three-star hotels in downtown Ottawa within a reasonable walking distance of the parade.  There is also still the 40%-vacant Uplands site which has plenty of housing (sans furniture) that could be used for short-term housing.
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Families of the fallen, as far as I know, are being put in hotels.

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If people will be staying at CRPTC (Connaught Ranges), then the conditions are indeed austere. Of the 5 trailer shacks (on Webley) that once stood there, one had to be demolished recently. The others are in equally bad shape, and generally so occupied on weekends that some PRes BMQ course staff have difficulty getting rooms (some even opted for hootches to solve the issue). This is compounded by the fact that DCRA (a civvy shooting organization) is bumping us in priority on shacks. The other accomodations on site include the Bren Gun temporaries which are so full of dead flies (thousands) and their excrement that nary a soul will stay there. Other options are the cadet shelters, which are basically bunk beds in tarp shelters (8 pers to a shelter IIRC) and permanent shower/toilet facilities meant to accomodate the PRes when LFCA Training Centre Meaford had a det for summer training with their Mod Tent concrete pads. Not exactly the best facilities to prep and wear DEU in a manner fitting for a national parade.

Hopefully it isn't CRPTC, because there will already be a PRes BMQ running out of CRPTC on that weekend which generally takes up a trailer shack on it's own, leaving 3 (or bumping us somewhere else).

You'd almost be better with cots on armoury floors, honestly.

There will be a few BMQs by that time there.

Cadet weather havens are probably free and empty.  Not quite cots on the armoury floor but pretty close...
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If people will be staying at CRPTC (Connaught Ranges), then the conditions are indeed austere. Of the 5 trailer shacks (on Webley) that once stood there, one had to be demolished recently. The others are in equally bad shape, and generally so occupied on weekends that some PRes BMQ course staff have difficulty getting rooms (some even opted for hootches to solve the issue). This is compounded by the fact that DCRA (a civvy shooting organization) is bumping us in priority on shacks. The other accomodations on site include the Bren Gun temporaries which are so full of dead flies (thousands) and their excrement that nary a soul will stay there. Other options are the cadet shelters, which are basically bunk beds in tarp shelters (8 pers to a shelter IIRC) and permanent shower/toilet facilities meant to accomodate the PRes when LFCA Training Centre Meaford had a det for summer training with their Mod Tent concrete pads. Not exactly the best facilities to prep and wear DEU in a manner fitting for a national parade.

Hopefully it isn't CRPTC, because there will already be a PRes BMQ running out of CRPTC on that weekend which generally takes up a trailer shack on it's own, leaving 3 (or bumping us somewhere else).

You'd almost be better with cots on armoury floors, honestly.

We did something like this in the UK and arranged 'up homers' for the Marines involved. It was fantastic. Many of the guys were 'adopted' by their home stay families and I don't recall any disciplinary issues involved.

Our AFG veterans on the floor in a green maggot? CAF, please make an 'L' with your thumb and forefinger and place it on your forehead ....
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....it would have made sense.....
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Sorry.  I posted in haste.

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A bit more info ....
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper will participate in events marking the National Day of Honour on May 9, 2014, to commemorate and recognize Canada’s military mission in Afghanistan. The Prime Minister will be joined by His Excellency the Right Honourable David Johnston, Governor General of Canada, and General Thomas J. Lawson, Chief of the Defence Staff. 

Prime Minister Harper today announced that Rick Hansen has agreed to act as emcee for the National Day of Honour.

Rick Hansen is an internationally recognized wheelchair athlete who has raised millions of dollars for spinal chord research, rehabilitation and quality of life initiatives through the Foundation that bears his name. For his athletic prowess and philanthropic endeavours, Mr. Hansen has received numerous accolades, including Companion of the Order of Canada, honorary university degrees and being made an honorary colonel of the Canadian Armed Forces’ Joint Personnel Support Unit.

The National Day of Honour commemorates the service and sacrifice of the members of the Canadian Armed Forces and employees of the Public Service of Canada who served in Afghanistan. It also provides an opportunity to thank family members, friends and all Canadians for their tremendous support. Finally, the day recognizes the sacrifices made by the Families of the Fallen.

The National Day of Honour is being commemorated through a series of events across Canada. In the National Capital Region, the National Ceremony will begin with a parade that will travel from the CanadianWarMuseum to Parliament Hill. This will be followed by two minutes of silence, a two-part fly-by salute and a public viewing of the Afghanistan Memorial Vigil in the Hall of Honour in the Centre Block on Parliament Hill.

During Canada’s 12-year mission in Afghanistan, more than 40,000 brave men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces, along with hundreds of courageous Canadian civilians and international allies, worked to defeat terrorism and give Afghans a chance at a better future. In the course of the mission, terrorist sanctuaries were destroyed, the Afghan security forces were built-up to defend their country, schools were built to allow more children access to education and critical infrastructure has been constructed to enable development and business.

These great achievements came at a significant price. Our country lost lives, including 158 military personnel, one diplomat and a number of civilians in this mission to make the world a safer place. Their sacrifice is one of the many things that continually inspire servicemen and women to push forward and to continue serving their country.

Quick Facts

- On March 12, 2014, Canada marked the conclusion of its military training mission in Afghanistan during a flag lowering ceremony in Kabul. The ceremony also recognized the conclusion of Canada’s current civilian policing mission.
- On March 18, 2014, Prime Minister Harper welcomed home the final contingent of Canadian Armed Forces members from our mission in Afghanistan and declared May 9, 2014 a “National Day of Honour” by Royal Proclamation.
- Canada’s contribution to the mission in Afghanistan began in October 2001 with Operation APOLLO. As part of that operation, HMCS Halifax was directed to detach from the NATO Standing Force Atlantic and to proceed to the Arabian Sea.
- Canada’s engagement in Afghanistan was a whole-of-government effort throughout the entire mission. Since 2001, Canada has deployed members of various departments including the Canadian Armed Forces, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and other police services from across the country, the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, Correctional Service Canada and the Canada Border Services Agency, to assist Afghans with the provision of governance, justice, human rights and security.
- Canada was part of one of the largest coalitions in history, bringing together 28 NATO allies and 22 partners representing over a quarter of the countries on the planet.
- Since 2011, Canada’s mission in Afghanistan focused on four key areas: investing in the future of Afghans through education and health; advancing security, the rule of law and human rights; promoting regional diplomacy; and delivering humanitarian assistance to the Afghan people.
- The Canadian Armed Forces conducted operations in a number of different roles involving air, land and sea assets. Activities included combat, security, development, support and training operations in varying capacities and regions in Afghanistan.
More details about events in attached backgrounder.
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Like everyone else that's still stumbling around trying to figure out how we're to recognize this event in home locations, the unit I'm with, 56 Fd, has tried to improvise something
We'll be approaching local news seeking their interest in covering this by possibly doing interviews of P Res soldiers from the region that served overseas. From ~100 personnel in the unit, 60 deployed, so there are quite a few stories to be told, but whether or not the media chooses to tell those stories, or focuses instead on the lack of planning and partisan approach of the GoC, of course remains up to the media.

Otherwise, I haven't seen a thing on how this day is to be recognized, if you're not in Ottawa (mitt hootchie gear & DEU)

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Like everyone else that's still stumbling around trying to figure out how we're to recognize this event in home locations, the unit I'm with, 56 Fd, has tried to improvise something
We'll be approaching local news seeking their interest in covering this by possibly doing interviews of P Res soldiers from the region that served overseas. From ~100 personnel in the unit, 60 deployed, so there are quite a few stories to be told, but whether or not the media chooses to tell those stories, or focuses instead on the lack of planning and partisan approach of the GoC, of course remains up to the media.

Otherwise, I haven't seen a thing on how this day is to be recognized, if you're not in Ottawa (mitt hootchie gear & DEU)

Whoever is coming to Ottawa please be aware I am coming as a civilian....strange as that sounds. Hope to meet a few of you there.

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My guess is they're trying to play it down due to the questionable coverage Harper got in the press as a result of the RCAF post=Libya parade:

Analysis | Is Harper trying to increase Canada's military might?

The federal government paid tribute to its role in the Libya campaign Thursday with a flashy display of military might on Parliament Hill, a ceremony that some observers viewed as a way of declaring Canada's more muscular role on the global stage.

The celebratory event, which was attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Defence Minister Peter MacKay as well as a host of military officials, included a flypast by CF-18 fighter jets, a 21-gun salute and the awarding of a Meritorious Service Cross (Military Division) to Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard, the Canadian air force general who commanded the NATO mission in Libya.

Some saw it as a conventional victory parade. "It is a celebration of sorts, there's no question, but it's within military tradition," said Michel Drapeau, a professor of military law at the University of Ottawa, who pointed to similar victory parades held in Canada for V-Day and the Korean War.

But others remarked on how out-of-character the ceremony seemed for a country that for decades has tended to play down its military. Stephen Clarkson, a University of Toronto professor with an expertise in Canadian foreign policy, views the ceremony as an exercise in "self-glorification."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/analysis-is-harper-trying-to-increase-canada-s-military-might-1.1060798

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In Windsor, Ontario:

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Public service announcement

Civic Day of Honour and Memorial Service

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Mayor Eddie Francis has declared 9 May 14 a “Civic Day of Honour” in the City of Windsor. This Proclamation recognizes the obligation of civic acts of remembrance and the City’s commitment to commemorating the service and sacrifices made by members of the Canadian Armed Forces and NATO peacekeepers in Afghanistan, and to recognizing and supporting the friends and families of the fallen.

The “Civic Day of Honour” will be commemorated in Windsor at the Cenotaph in City Hall Square at 1000hrs on 9 May-14 with a reading of the names of the 158 fallen from the Afganistan theatre followed by a moment of silence and a rededication of the Cenotaph to include the addition of the years 2002-2014. An interpretive panel on the grounds of the Cenotaph will also be dedicated to the service and sacrifice of those from our community who have served and sacrificed as a result of the War in Afghanistan.

The “Civic Day of Honour” military unit parade will step off from Dieppe Gardens at 0945hrs, proceed south on Ouellette Avenue to University Avenue, east and onto the parade ground at the Cenotaph square.

The public is invited to gather at the Cenotaph on 9 May-14 to honor all who served Canada and came home; to remember all who served and fell and rest eternally.

I'm going to the parade. The city is making an effort, so will I. I imagine there'll be a luncheon and drinks in the Mess afterwards, so I'll attend that also.

Just for a sandwich and to say hi to some fellow Vets.

Can't hang about though, going turkey hunting for the weekend, starting Fri afternoon  ;D
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But others remarked on how out-of-character the ceremony seemed for a country that for decades has tended to play down its military. Stephen Clarkson, a University of Toronto professor with an expertise in Canadian foreign policy, views the ceremony as an exercise in "self-glorification."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/analysis-is-harper-trying-to-increase-canada-s-military-might-1.1060798

Mr Clarkson is also notable for his ex-wife, who alter went on to some renown in media and political circles...
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Stephen Clarkson, a University of Toronto professor with an expertise in Canadian foreign policy  Liberal Party politics......
Gee, that such a person would say "Harper; bad"......   :boring:

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Mr Clarkson is also notable for his ex-wife, who alter went on to some renown in media and political circles...

..... and associated with certain terrorist organizations
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..... and associated with certain terrorist organizations

Adrienne Clarkson?! You may be thinking of another Governor-General...

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..... and associated with certain terrorist organizations

That's rather harsh.
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..... and associated with certain terrorist organizations
Adrienne Clarkson?! You may be thinking of another Governor-General...
You might be thinking of the hubby of the GG who had a hard time getting to (but eventually did get to) Afghanistan during her tenure as GG.
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That's rather harsh.
We only terrorize each other.

And The RCR, Van Doos, Strathconas...... ;)
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A couple of more developments .....
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He may have been the first Canadian who lost a limb in Afghanistan to return but he was not the first amputee on a prostetic limb to serve in Afghanistan.  There was one in my Unit on Roto 3.  That in no way takes from his accomplishment and I'm glad to see the representation from those who served and lost so much.

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Oops. Wrong one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean

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I just hope that somebody films and posts the landing of the Chinook on the front lawn of Parliament the evening before.