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Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« on: July 17, 2017, 13:38:57 »
 Has anyone ever heard/done the CCLP program? I see it's one of the recognized programs for scoring on the Branch website, but no one I've talked to has ever heard of it.

 I'm looking for an alternative to doing a masters degree, since apparently we can only do MBA's through RMC and they require an honours degree which I do not have...

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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 14:29:56 »
Where did you get the info you could only do an MBA through RMC? I know only sponsored MBAs are through there (although you can work it to take the majority of courses at Queens), but can you not use your ILP to work on your MBA from elsewhere?

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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 08:39:20 »
And, as an RMC grad myself, good gravy, why would any Log O want an MBA from RMC? Not this one  [:D If you want to stay in the PLog world when you are out, I sincerely recommend that you examine the aspects of the Log world that really interest you and find an MBA program that builds on those aspects. While the security-world issues that the RMC MBA covers can be extremely useful to many career paths, for most Log types (that want to remain in the non-military logistic world), it is of limited use.

If you are interested in working with some of the multinational/NGO groups that are doing some very interesting work in some not nice places (there are a few Canadian ones now. One in particular run by veterans), then that might be a great fit, maybe even DFAIT (caveat: wrt DFAIT, our military background is, in my experience, not well respected, no matter just how applicable it may be. My dealings have been minimal since release, and not at all since the change in government, so that might be different now.....but I doubt it lol).

Unless your BPSO is a giant DB, you can get approval for an MBA from any institution. They certainly are not cheap, but the payoff (literally) can be worth it.

As for the Honours degree, many programs state that requirement, but exceptions can, and often are, made for those people that are working professionally in the field. I got my BMASc from RMC ('08) and was accepted into three post-grad programs before I settled on the one I wanted in '15, 2 years after I released. They all stated that an Honours degree was a requirement, and I am by no means a super student.
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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 10:26:15 »
As for the Honours degree, many programs state that requirement, but exceptions can, and often are, made for those people that are working professionally in the field. I got my BMASc from RMC ('08) and was accepted into three post-grad programs before I settled on the one I wanted in '15, 2 years after I released. They all stated that an Honours degree was a requirement, and I am by no means a super student.

Not to mention different provinces use the word "honours" differently... A friend of mine almost didn't apply for a program at Waterloo (the only place it is offered in Canada) for her Masters because it said she needed an honours.... Turns out, in Ontario, they have 3-year Bachelor programs and an "honours" just meant a 4-year Bachelors. She ended up applying after learning that and got into it just fine.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/02/23/most_ontario_university_students_prefer_fouryear_bachelor_degrees_survey_finds.html
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In Ontario, about 94 per cent of university students graduate with a four-year honours bachelor degree, the study found, but less than half had finished that degree in four years.

Obviously there is a different definition of "honours" in Ontario than what I am used to, because by definition 94% wouldn't be allowed to have one since at my alma mater it "requires higher than average academic achievement."


I don't know much about the Log world (yet) but my understanding is that a CPA designation is appreciated. On the Infantry SCRIT it was worth the same as a Master's, so I would imagine it is the same in the Log world at least. The CPA program is designed to be done while you work full-time. If you want any info on it I can probably answer, although I can't help you out with how it works for Log career progression and such.

EDIT: Worth noting that ILP will pay for your CPA studies, including if you have to complete any prerequisite courses through the PREP program.
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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 20:34:45 »
My ILP was approved for an MBA and I chose the online option with Athabasca University. It took me 4-1/2 years and it was one of the most academically enriching times of my life. Not only did I learned from the Professors but also from my peers who came from a wide assortment of backgrounds and all with deep business experiences.  One was nurse whose paper was on the health care fiscal crisis in Canada and the role that IT can play to reduce administrative costs. One of the guys in my supply chain class worked at the Walmart regional distribution centre in Toronto.  We had many an interesting discussions comparing the two. Best of all, I have used what I've learned to improve some portions of the Canadian Military Supply Chain.

Some MBA programs do not asked for an Honours Degree but they will investigate to see if you have the necessary business / work experience to compensate.

I have not followed the Logistics Branch has been recently saying with regards to professional designations but I know that they still encourage people to get their MBA. 

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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 06:48:02 »
All good replies, thank you.  I  guess I'll start calling up universities about the honours degree requirement, and dig a little deeper into the "RMC" only bit I was told, god knows the things I have been told over the years that aren't true...

 I hadn't even thought of a CPA though my degree is certainly not in math, it looks like it can be based on work experience and that I have plenty of heh.

 Much more thought to go before making a decision I suppose...Research and thought anyway

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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 11:59:39 »
All good replies, thank you.  I  guess I'll start calling up universities about the honours degree requirement, and dig a little deeper into the "RMC" only bit I was told, god knows the things I have been told over the years that aren't true...

 I hadn't even thought of a CPA though my degree is certainly not in math, it looks like it can be based on work experience and that I have plenty of heh.

 Much more thought to go before making a decision I suppose...Research and thought anyway

Most CPAs go in with a degree in business, not math (contrary to popular belief, the math that most accountants do is not actually that advanced). Either way, it doesn't matter if you did your degree in music, you just need certain prerequisite courses to start the program. If you don't have all of them, you can do PREP modules to get the ones you don't have (which ILP will also pay for). Let me know if you do want any info on it.
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Re: Log O Professional Designations: CCLP
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 14:57:44 »
CPA is definitely worth looking into, particularly if you like the project management side of the house. If you have looked after a decent sized budget, you'll probably have most of the math you'll ever need.

Wookilar and calculus do not mix well, especially when there are math jokes thrown in by a Russian weapon scientist  ???, but never had any issues counting beans.
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