Topic: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]

[Loachman]

A lot of occupations have high failure rates, and AEC is one of them. "Hard"? Some courses are, and there is a lot of work required to pass them, yes, but, aside from that, some people, no matter how intelligent, motivated, and talented, are simply not suited for those types of work.

Having your mind at ease is not a good thing now, on course, or on the job. Another term for that is "complacency".

And it's "Int" in Canada. "Intel" is American.

[edlabonte]

Passing an AEC course is not for the faint of heart.  You will spend many nights studying for exams or practicing in the simulator.  You need to focus maximum effort at all times while on course.  You must study and practice with your course mates.  You will either pass together or fail alone. 

Then when Friday night comes around, you will need to take some time to relax and unwind.  If you don't, you well stress yourself out and buckle under the heavy course load.

Good luck on your upcoming courses, See you in the Ops Room.

[overwatch]

I will be applying to Aerospace Control Officer occupation as a direct entry applicant and I was curious about a specific scenario regarding it. I will most likely have Aerospace Control Officer as my only listed occupation. I was wondering what would happen if I, by happenstance, fail my professional training? Will I be "forced" to take on another occupation or will I be let go?

[PuckChaser]

You've already asked this question and had it answered in another thread. If you want more detail, call the recruiting centre.

[overwatch]

You've already asked this question and had it answered in another thread. If you want more detail, call the recruiting centre.

My bad. Another user suggested this thread, I thought there was more details to the question that weren't addressed.

[PuckChaser]

Suggestion was an implication to read through the thread. 

[Sorcerers]

Heyo All... Is there anyone out there who has applied for DEO Legal in the past 12 months? And if yes, what stage of the process are you at?

I haven't heard anything since September 2016 (July 2016 CFAT) despite following up with my local CFRC by telephone and email.

Thanks!!

[csers]

Heyo All... Is there anyone out there who has applied for DEO Legal in the past 12 months? And if yes, what stage of the process are you at?

I haven't heard anything since September 2016 (July 2016 CFAT) despite following up with my local CFRC by telephone and email.

Thanks!!

Yup... glad I'm not the only one asking! 

I completed my application in November 2016, and have had radio silence pretty much ever since. The info that I do have is that as of June 2017, there were 13 positions available and 19 applicants for each one. Yet Legal Officer is listed as "Now hiring", and are still accepting applications. Several reserve units were hiring, but I'm not sure if they still are- I understand that offers have gone out for the units in Ottawa.  Rumor also has it that they are about to go on a major hiring spree, so I guess we'll see.

[ACE_Engineer]

This seems the most appropriate thread for my question, even though it's quite old:

From what I can tell from the CF recruiting site, some DEO candidates are commissioned as 2nd LT while others immediately as a full LT.

My understanding, based on information on CAF recruitment pages and this website, was that if and when I qualify as a DEO in the Reserves, my rank would immediately be 2Lt upon swearing in (I have a Masters in the preferred degree for my trade), and promoted to Lt after DP1. However, I was on a base recently, and was informed by a serving Captain that despite the official rules, I would actually be taken in as an Officer Cadet and be promoted to 2Lt AFTER DP1.

This affects pay, which affects my ability to proceed with my recruitment, since my employer will now have to compensate for a larger pay-gap.

I've sent an email out to my recruiter to confirm, but I'm hoping to get some POV on why this is the case.

EDIT

Just to add another question, what exactly is the length of the BMOQ Army/Land course (the one after BMQ, before trades, that must be done full-time)? I have been given numbers from 4 weeks to 3 months by recruiters and members on base.

[RomeoJuliet]

This seems the most appropriate thread for my question, even though it's quite old:

My understanding, based on information on CAF recruitment pages and this website, was that if and when I qualify as a DEO in the Reserves, my rank would immediately be 2Lt upon swearing in (I have a Masters in the preferred degree for my trade), and promoted to Lt after DP1. However, I was on a base recently, and was informed by a serving Captain that despite the official rules, I would actually be taken in as an Officer Cadet and be promoted to 2Lt AFTER DP1.

This affects pay, which affects my ability to proceed with my recruitment, since my employer will now have to compensate for a larger pay-gap.

I've sent an email out to my recruiter to confirm, but I'm hoping to get some POV on why this is the case.

EDIT

Just to add another question, what exactly is the length of the BMOQ Army/Land course (the one after BMQ, before trades, that must be done full-time)? I have been given numbers from 4 weeks to 3 months by recruiters and members on base.

There are a few guidlines regarding promotions in the PRes. Best check with the unit you are applying to.  BMOQA is 11 weeks long.

[CountDC]

Common issue of incorrect information passed.

All officers are enrolled as OCdt.  As a DEO you may be promoted after completing military training with an effective date of your enrolment (and yes back pay will be issued).  Note that MAY does not mean WILL even though most times it does happen.

[dapaterson]

Commissioning is always as SLt/2Lt; in certain instances, it is followed by simultaneous promotion to another rank.  But commissioning scrolls are always to the rank of SLt/2Lt.

[ACE_Engineer]

From what I read above and the info I've gathered, there is no standard procedure. Or at least, adherence to standard procedure.

[ACE_Engineer]

I got confirmation from a senior recruiter: Enrollment is as OCdt, with immediate promotion to 2Lt after completion of BMQ, before BMOQ-A

[OceanBonfire]

As someone who recently graduated from BMOQ, I'm quoting the correct answer:

Common issue of incorrect information passed.

All officers are enrolled as OCdt.  As a DEO you may be promoted after completing military training with an effective date of your enrolment (and yes back pay will be issued).  Note that MAY does not mean WILL even though most times it does happen.

[ACE_Engineer]

Thanks for that clarification. I've sent you a PM with a question regarding your recent BMOQ.

[Lefthandit]

Hey guys so I’m currently waiting to hear back regarding the next steps following my CFAT which went well, my main choice was ACSO. At the center the guy told me the contract length was 6 years; if it comes to the point of offering me a contract, would the length of the contract be negotiable in either direction? Applying DEO.

[Buck_HRA]

Common issue of incorrect information passed.

All officers are enrolled as OCdt.  As a DEO you may be promoted after completing military training with an effective date of your enrolment (and yes back pay will be issued).  Note that MAY does not mean WILL even though most times it does happen.

Yes all officers are enrolled as OCdt; however other than ROTP they all receive pay as 2Lt or higher while on BMOQ.  Only ROTP receive OCdt pay while undergoing training.

So to clarify.

Rank on Shoulder
While on BMOQ: OCdt
Upon completion of BMOQ: 2Lt/Lt/Capt (depending on occupation)

Pay
While on BMOQ: 2Lt/Lt/CApt (depending on occupation)

[Buck_HRA]

The contract length (Terms of Service [TOS]) is not negotiable.  It is a predetermined amount of time that the CAF is promising to employ you.
The only way you have an obligatory service is if the CAF pays for education; at the end of your TOS if you perform well you will be offered another contract.  If you do not perform well you will not be offered a further contract.  The CAF isn't for everyone and as long as you do not incur obligatory service you can release prior to your TOS (depending on your reason for release and how far along in your career it can take upwards of 30 days to be released).