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Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« on: November 08, 2018, 07:41:31 »
A Norwegian frigate collided with a tanker and is reportedly sinking.

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#Tridentjuncture18 Norwegian frigate helge ingstad collide after maneuvers with tankers

During the return of nato maneuver trident juncture, a Norwegian frigate collided with a tanker in the early morning. The frigate helge ingstad has a list and threatens to sink according to the fire department.
 The Helge Ingstad and the tanker sola ts were collided at 4 pm in the Norwegian Municipality of low in hordaland. Why, it's still unclear. A tug is holding the warship at the place, declared the Norwegian Fire Brigade. The frigate is a leak. You have no control over the leak. The tanker loaded with crude oil was easily damaged.
 In the misfortune, seven people were easily injured. According to the rescue central hrs, 137 people were aboard the frigate. Everyone was saved, said a spokesman of the Norwegian agency ntb. The 23 man strong crew of the tank ship didn't happen.
 The Helge Ingstad is a 2009-metre-long, and has a displacement of 5290 tonnes. It carries a helicopter and is equipped with torpedoes and missiles for ship and anti-aircraft. Source: Dpa

We wish the Norwegian comrades good recovery!

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Norwegian frigate could sink after being rammed by tanker

COPENHAGEN, Denmark — A Norwegian Navy frigate was rammed by a tanker while it was docked in a harbor on the country's west coast Thursday, the military said. The crew of 127 was evacuated amid fears the ship will sink.

Eight people on the KNM Helge Instad were slightly injured when the accident occurred at 4 a.m. local time in Sture, north of Bergen, the Joint Rescue Coordination Center for southern Norway said. The military said the ship, which had recently taken part in the vast NATO drill Trident Juncture, is taking on water.

Eirik Walle, with the rescue center, told Norwegian news agency NTB that the collision caused an opening in the frigate's hull and "it is taking in more water than they can pump out. There is no control over the leak and the stern is heavily in the sea."

The Maltese-flagged tanker, Sola TS, was not damaged and its 23-man crew remained on board.

Details of the accident were still unclear. Norway's Accident Investigation Board said a towboat was also involved in the accident, but didn't say how.

The shipping site Sysla said the tanker had been loaded with crude oil and was being towed out of the harbor when it somehow rammed the frigate. The tanker was on its way to Britain, Sysla said.

The Norwegian Navy has planned a news conference for later in the day.

Johan Marius Ly of the Norwegian Coast Guard said the extent of leakage was unknown.

The 442-foot frigate, built in Spain in 2009, has a helipad platform on its stern.
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 11:06:18 »

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 00:22:50 »
My first thought was it was a Russian ship that hit them...
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 09:06:03 »
My first thought was it was a Russian ship that hit them... 

Actually she is Maltese flagged. More info and photos can be found here on the Marine Traffic webpage.

Attached below is PDF image showing the Sola TS maneuvering for the last two days. Presently in it is stopped (red dot on image)  with a tugboat monitoring it. Map is from the Marine Traffic webpage.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2018, 09:22:10 by Retired AF Guy »
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 09:47:59 »
More info on the accident. Apparently frigate has been towed inshore to prevent it from sinking.

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Norwegian frigate damaged in collision with tanker, Update frigate to blame VIDEO

Posted in Accidents by Mikhail Voytenko on Nov. 8, 2018 at 06:01.

Greek Aframax tanker SOLA TS collided with Norway Navy frigate HNOMS HELGE INGSTAD in the morning Nov 8, probably around 0300 UTC, in North sea north of Bergen, Norway. Laden tanker left Sture Terminal shortly before collision. According to Norway media reports, frigate sustained heavy damages, water ingress, probably in danger of sinking, all 137 crew evacuated, 7 were slightly injured. Tanker said not to suffer serious damages, as of 0530 UTC she was near collision site, moving in northern direction at dead slow speed, escorted by tug. Salvage under way, many tugs and SAR ships in collision area.

Norwegian Navy frigate HNOMS HELGE INGSTAD (F313), displacement 5290, commissioned 2009, complement 120, armament missiles, torpedoes, guns, helicopter.

Update: Frigate understood to sustain stb bow hull breach with massive water ingress, she’s said to develop heavy bow tilt.
Update: 0700 UTC – according to latest reports frigate was taken to shallow waters to avoid sinking, water ingress is incontrollable.

Comment: Again, laden massive cargo ship collided with Navy frigate, similar to accidents which occurred with USA Nay frigates in Japan and ff Singapore, recently. Understood frigate was hit by tanker, it’s like feather-weight boxer being hit by super weight clumsy, slow moving giant boxer. Whatever the situation and ships positions were according to COLREG, Navy is the main culprit. Aframax tanker in full load is restricted in maneuverability by definition, while frigate, by definition, is speedy maneuverable vehicle, supposedly always ready for dangerous situation, manned by a numerous crew.

IMRRA, FleetMon’s official Vessel Risk Rating Partner, risk assessed this tanker as having a ‘green’ risk rating, with a specific risk rating of 30% (12-JUL-18), compared to the fleet average 35%. New risk assessment reports can be purchased via FleetMon.
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2018, 06:27:17 »
Looks like she might be a write-off.

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The Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad has almost completely sunk based on the latest footage released by the Norwegian Navy.

Despite being anchored to the land, the ill-fated frigate continued to sink over night and now only the radar tower is seen above the water surface.

The Norwegian Coast Guard said that there have been fuel leaks detected around the ship, but nothing of significance. A containment boom has been placed around the vessel.

The frigate started listing after colliding with Sola TS oil tanker at the Sture terminal in Øygarden, Norway, on Thursday morning, November 8. Eight people sustained minor injuries and 137 people were evacuated from the Norwegian frigate.

There were 23 people on board the oil tanker Sola TS when the collision occurred and there were no reported injuries. The Maltese-flagged Aframax, part of Tsakos Energy Navigation’s fleet, did not sustain damages below the waterline.

The navy ship suffered a large gash below the waterline and its helicopter tank was punctured in the collision, resulting in a minor spill. The amount of leakage was not considered to be actionable as the thin layer of helicopter fuel was expected to evaporate and dissolve naturally.

The Norwegian Navy and Coast Guard managed to stabilize the vessel post collision, as the ship was intentionally grounded and moved to a safe place. The Navy was planning to rescue the frigate and inked a deal with BOA management for the ship’s salvage.

Based on the latest update from the Norwegian Coast Guard, the Navy is yet to determine its next steps on the matter.

Initial reports indicate that the frigate was repeatedly warned to alter course but failed to undertake corrective action to avoid the collision with the tanker, which is more than ten times bigger than the frigate.

Citing radar images and audio logs, local media reported that the Norwegian frigate crashed into the fully-loaded tanker at a speed of 17 knots.

The frigate just returned from Trident Juncture, a NATO-led military exercise, held in Norway, when the incident occurred.

The Fridtjof Nansen class frigate was built by the Spanish shipbuilders Navantia and was commissioned into service in 2009. The

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2018, 10:20:29 »
Damm I was hoping they would be able to salvage her and keep most of the electronics, that`s going to hurt the budget badly.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2018, 11:40:11 »
Damm I was hoping they would be able to salvage her and keep most of the electronics, that`s going to hurt the budget badly.

Not to mention they just lost 20% of their fleet. Heads will roll.

I've seen the AIS and audio video. Looks like they turned left when they had the space and opportunity to turn right.

Also doesn't seem like they were appropriately guarding the radio.
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2018, 11:54:30 »
It's a European warship just "driving back home" after having completed an Ex. You and I know that the most likely size of the duty watch was no larger than one you would find on your average merchant ship.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2018, 13:19:18 »
Apparently 5 on the bridge, which is two more than a CCG ship and 3 more than a merchant ship not under pilotage. Most of the tugs on this coast operate with 1 on the bridge and deckhand to do all the other stuff.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2018, 17:21:27 »
Not a sailor, but still sad to see a fine piece of engineering going down in such a lousy way. Fortunately no crew were lost. Below are two photos taken earlier today showing all that remains above the waves.
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2018, 18:29:46 »
Apparently 5 on the bridge, which is two more than a CCG ship and 3 more than a merchant ship not under pilotage. Most of the tugs on this coast operate with 1 on the bridge and deckhand to do all the other stuff.

I believe you will find, Colin, that it is because the engineering watch is kept on the bridge, as is damage control. One, if not two of those five would have been engineers.

As for merchant ships, I haven't been onboard one for a while, but I recall that, in coastal waters where there is more traffic, they tended to have three on watch, so that the lookout function could be split from the helmsman duties. In many merchant ships, I have also seen the practice, when a cadet officer is sailing with the ship, of pairing him/her with the watch keeping mate when in coastal as opposed to on the high seas, to provide an extra hand for navigation/collision avoidance.

And Retired AF Guy, I agree that it is a sad end for such a nice ship. On the other hand, It's a good reminder that in war, warships of the size of destroyers and below remain the expandable ones, regardless of their high cost.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2018, 22:13:42 »
Not a sailor, but still sad to see a fine piece of engineering going down in such a lousy way. Fortunately no crew were lost. Below are two photos taken earlier today showing all that remains above the waves.
Link to photos.

It seems traditional in those waters, for destroyers. I recall viewing the Georg Thiele in Narvik harbour, which has an interesting history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_destroyer_Z2_Georg_Thiele
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2018, 23:22:50 »
It seems traditional in those waters, for destroyers. I recall viewing the Georg Thiele in Narvik harbour, which has an interesting history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_destroyer_Z2_Georg_Thiele

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2018, 00:41:00 »
I dove her in 1992, thanks to some friends i made in the Norwegian Army.

I am ripping the veins out of my left arm in jealousy...

I once did a shore dive onto a 300ft long British AA cruiser, sunk near Harstad in 1940, and wondered what all those 'logs' were doing on the bottom. Turned out they were 3.7 inch AA shells  :o
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2018, 12:01:39 »
Breaking news, Canada to buy Norwegian Frigate. "But it's sunk", says the public.

"No it's not sunk, it's pining for the fjords" says the Liberals

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2018, 14:11:13 »
Breaking news, Canada to buy Norwegian Frigate. "But it's sunk", says the public.

"No it's not sunk, it's pining for the fjords" says the Liberals

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I saw a lot of potential in this joke, but you lost me, as I do not know what the term "pining for" means in this context...
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2018, 14:48:43 »
I saw a lot of potential in this joke, but you lost me, as I do not know what the term "pining for" means in this context...

It's a reference to Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch, featuring a gentleman atempting to return a newly bought Norweigian Blue parrot which, he finds, is in fact nailed to his perch. The shop keep attempts to claim he's not dead but merely resting/stunned/pining for the Fjords, etc. "Pining for" in this context would mean 'to miss and to long for the return of'. Classic comedy gold.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2018, 21:45:25 »
It seems traditional in those waters, for destroyers. I recall viewing the Georg Thiele in Narvik harbour, which has an interesting history:

I was flying around Bardufoss and Narvik a lot in Feb/Mar and Oct/Nov 1983. I wasn't able to get close to Georg Thiele, only seeing it from some distance, but I did hover over Hermann Kuhne on the north shore of Ofotfjorden quite frequently (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Trollvik/@68.5237198,17.4147182,1048m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x45db964ddf7da597:0xe73caa91a1a9f83a!8m2!3d68.5237204!4d17.4234729, if I remember correctly thirty-five years later). There are about thirty merchant ships on the bottom of Ofotfjorden as well. I was able to make a few out when the tide was low, wind was dead calm, and the sun was bright.

We also flew around the site of the Tirpitz sinking - the water is crystal clear and one could see the Tallboy craters on the sea floor, plus one that's partially submerged when the tide's out, and one completely on shore. If I've got it right, the marker at https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Tirpitz-platen/@69.6475594,18.8028456,255m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sTirpitz,+Norway!3m4!1s0x0:0x82bfedbfab3e50eb!8m2!3d69.647536!4d18.8031006 should be over the one on shore.

And I landed on one of the Adolfkanone at Trondenes https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Adolfkanone/@68.8345448,16.5821985,258m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x45dc7dc16488b153:0xffc1310bd640c1ab!8m2!3d68.8345448!4d16.5843873 a couple of times.

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2018, 23:26:22 »
I was flying around Bardufoss and Narvik a lot in Feb/Mar and Oct/Nov 1983. I wasn't able to get close to Georg Thiele, only seeing it from some distance, but I did hover over Hermann Kuhne on the north shore of Ofotfjorden quite frequently (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Trollvik/@68.5237198,17.4147182,1048m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x45db964ddf7da597:0xe73caa91a1a9f83a!8m2!3d68.5237204!4d17.4234729, if I remember correctly thirty-five years later). There are about thirty merchant ships on the bottom of Ofotfjorden as well. I was able to make a few out when the tide was low, wind was dead calm, and the sun was bright.

We also flew around the site of the Tirpitz sinking - the water is crystal clear and one could see the Tallboy craters on the sea floor, plus one that's partially submerged when the tide's out, and one completely on shore. If I've got it right, the marker at https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Tirpitz-platen/@69.6475594,18.8028456,255m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sTirpitz,+Norway!3m4!1s0x0:0x82bfedbfab3e50eb!8m2!3d69.647536!4d18.8031006 should be over the one on shore.

And I landed on one of the Adolfkanone at Trondenes https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Adolfkanone/@68.8345448,16.5821985,258m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x45dc7dc16488b153:0xffc1310bd640c1ab!8m2!3d68.8345448!4d16.5843873 a couple of times.

Great place to be a Loachman...

It's a humbling experience for any keen Naval rating :)
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2018, 12:43:57 »
Man, that ship looks like she's toast. Anyone here got any insight on what salvage/recovery/refit would look like for something like this? I assume the probably near total ingress of salt water will necessitate a pretty thorough gutting of systems?
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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2018, 13:59:54 »
Likely they raise her, and gut her for any salvageable spare parts and scrap the rest. The Electronics are toast, which is a shame, as had they been able to keep her upright and mostly dry, they could have salvage all of that. 

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Re: Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2018, 14:19:13 »
Listening to this, the Frigate bridge crew appears to have no grasp of the traffic around them, no plan to deal with it and then confusion about what hit them and where they are.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqGxbKF0AI