Author Topic: New Support Bn Activated in Europe  (Read 853 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online tomahawk6

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 104,385
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,510
New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:37:20 »
The new battalion will support a FA brigade of 2 MRLS battalions and a signal company.

https://www.stripes.com/news/new-battalion-activates-in-germany-to-support-field-artillery-1.564031

Quote
These new units are a result of the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act, which directed the U.S. Army to increase its presence in Europe in order to defend NATO allies and deter Russian aggression on the Continent, the Army said in a statement last month.

Offline Halifax Tar

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 46,233
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,840
  • Ready Aye Ready
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 08:17:49 »
The new battalion will support a FA brigade of 2 MRLS battalions and a signal company.

https://www.stripes.com/news/new-battalion-activates-in-germany-to-support-field-artillery-1.564031

Would this equivalent in role to a Canadian Svc Btn ?
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way

Online tomahawk6

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 104,385
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,510
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 08:47:44 »
Would this equivalent in role to a Canadian Svc Btn ?


I think you might be correct.

Online MJP

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 158,545
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,399
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 12:47:48 »
Would this equivalent in role to a Canadian Svc Btn ?

In name only... American support battalions actually have resources.
Hope is not a valid COA

Offline FJAG

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 177,525
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,048
  • Ex Gladio Justicia
    • WordPress Page
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 13:03:15 »
Would this equivalent in role to a Canadian Svc Btn ?

Pretty much.

In the much older structure of the US Army, the key building block was the division which had a divisional support command (DISCOM). This provided support to all it's subordinate brigades (Brigades within these divisions had very little integral service support and depended on the DISCOM for this) . In the meantime, because we didn't have any divisions anymore, we invented the Brigade Group which had it's own integral service support termed a service battalion.

When the US Army restructured around the Brigade Combat Team as it's primary building block it also created a new methodology for providing service support. The BCT is supported by a Brigade Support Battalion. (See here for an org structure of a basic BCT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade_combat_team)

In addition to BCTs, the US Army has formed a number of brigade level formations that support BCTs and formations higher than BCTs (divisions and corps still exist as headquarters which can be assigned any number of BCTs and sustainment or other brigades).

These additional brigade level organizations in the US Army include: Field Artillery Brigades (formerly Fires Brigades see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires_brigade); Maneuvre Enhancement Brigades; (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuver_enhancement_brigade); and Sustainment Brigades(see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainment_Brigades_in_the_United_States_Army)

Note that every brigade, regardless of type has some form of brigade support battalion which is what we would call a service battalion. Establishments may vary slightly (for example a US brigade's medical company is an integral part of the BSB) but they generally provide the same type of service as our service battalions.

Basically this article talks about the creation of a new Field Artillery Brigade and the new brigade support battalion established to support it.

 :cheers:
Illegitimi non carborundum
Semper debeatis percutis ictu primo
Access my "Allies" book series at:
https://wolfriedel.wordpress.com

Offline Halifax Tar

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 46,233
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,840
  • Ready Aye Ready
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 14:26:57 »
Thanks for the info folks.

Would most units in the US Army have Supply personnel in them much like us ?
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way

Offline FJAG

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 177,525
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,048
  • Ex Gladio Justicia
    • WordPress Page
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 15:03:09 »
Thanks for the info folks.

Would most units in the US Army have Supply personnel in them much like us ?

The short answer is yes.

The slightly longer answer is that it varies a bit and in many cases the support element is not quite as robust as ours. Battalions' organic sustainment capabilities used to be more similar to ours but have been substantially transfered to the BCT's Brigade Support Battalion.

As an example, the current structure of a US infantry battalion's headquarters and headquarters company (and be aware the tables of organization for such a battalion varies depending on whether it is a mechanized (or now a combined arms battalion of M1s and M2s), a Stryker battalion or an infantry (ie light) battalion) contains a medical platoon and such specialist staff to enable coordination of personnel and logistics matters. Typically a battalion receives in direct support what is called a Forward Support Company from the Brigade Support Battalion. An FSC (both in peace and on operations) fulfills the majority of the sustainment requirements of the supported battalion including maintenance, supply, and logistical transportation. Within a BSB the various FSCs are tailored in composition with respect to the type of battalion that they support (e.g. the FSC that supports an artillery battalion has a greater ammunition lift capability)

Here's and article that discusses some of those aspects: https://www.army.mil/article/125019/forward_support_company_operations_in_separate_units

Here's a link to the FM on BSB's https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/atp4_90.pdf

 :cheers:
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 15:11:21 by FJAG »
Illegitimi non carborundum
Semper debeatis percutis ictu primo
Access my "Allies" book series at:
https://wolfriedel.wordpress.com

Online tomahawk6

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 104,385
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,510
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 16:33:02 »
Thanks for the info folks.

Would most units in the US Army have Supply personnel in them much like us ?

All units from company on up have either a supply NCO or an S4/G4 shop. Troops get their field gear from a CIF/Central Issue Facility.

A similar battalion at Ft Sill.

http://sill-www.army.mil/75th_Field_Artillery_Brigade/units/100th.html
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 16:37:53 by tomahawk6 »

Offline Halifax Tar

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 46,233
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,840
  • Ready Aye Ready
Re: New Support Bn Activated in Europe
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 09:37:08 »
Again, thanks all. 

I always find it interesting how other countries employ and action the Logistical arts.
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way