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CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« on: February 14, 2019, 17:13:50 »
Interesting comment.

Is that indeed the view in the Liberal East?  Out here in Conservative Lethbridge we don't get that kind of scuttlebutt.

Well who would be his successor? Let’s say he gets defeated next election.  No way he stays on.  Who would replace him?  Who might? It is becoming closer to reality with this latest scandal.  It’s not just a liberal view but a political view regardless of your stripe.  She’s one of his stronger ministers heading one of the more important portfolios. 

if Scheer loses the election who might succeed him? It isn’t a partisan question.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 17:16:33 »
if Scheer loses the election who might succeed him? It isn’t a partisan question.

There's a bunch in the shadow cabinet that could do it, and Peter McKay has kept his foot in the water via political commentary.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 17:21:00 »
There's a bunch in the shadow cabinet that could do it, and Peter McKay has kept his foot in the water via political commentary.

My thoughts exactly.  But if scheer wins or holds the Liberals to a minority that door will close for good likely. 
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 19:18:24 »
We screwed our self out of Rona Ambrose.  I have no doubt she would have beat JT, Telford and Butts.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 19:49:10 »
My thoughts exactly.  But if scheer wins or holds the Liberals to a minority that door will close for good likely.

Honestly I thought if Scheer held the Libs to a minority, he'd get another shot... he may still, but it would be a mistake for the CPC. While an election is still a long ways away, if he can't beat Trudeau given the past 3.5 years + this current scandal + Norman affair which will still be nice and fresh come October, then why bother letting him lead the party into another election... the Liberals are literally beating themselves, jumping up and down on their own plumbing, and there are still major doubts about whether or not they win again.

Most of the big names stayed out of the last CPC race because they thought Trudeau would be at least a two-term PM.... they've been proven wrong, and if Scheer isn't the PM after the next election, those folks will be out for blood. I'd guess Peter McKay and Rona Ambrose would throw their names in the ring for sure.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 20:03:32 »
An Ambrose, McKay combo would be deadly.  Not sure either would be willing to play second fiddle though...
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 20:56:15 »


Most of the big names stayed out of the last CPC race because they thought Trudeau would be at least a two-term PM.... they've been proven wrong,

Not yet.  But the LPC has a chink in their armour now.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 20:59:23 »
Not yet.  But the LPC has a chink in their armour now.

The chink in their armour has always been there, people are now just waking up. This is still the Sponsorship/Adscam/HRDC Boondoggle party from the 1990s.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 22:34:50 »
Not yet.  But the LPC has a chink in their armour now.

You're right, I worded that stupidly. It's purely speculating on my part on a "what if" but if the CPC had even half a leader this election would be in the bag. What I mean to communicate is, those who didn't run because they thought Trudeau would get at least two terms are probably thinking "FFS, I should have ran..." right about now.

EDIT to add:

If Ambrose did this on purpose, she's a political genius. Coming in as interim leader, all she needed to do was keep the ship straight and she'd look like a winner. She did a great job of that, and walked away.... probably thinking like many that Trudeau would need at least 2 elections to defeat. She could now walk back in as the hero who came back to save the party and form government.

I'd be less cracked up about McKay. I sure don't forget how out of touch he became to the point that he was making stupid, boneheaded decisions essentially out of hubris.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2019, 22:37:03 »
You're right, I worded that stupidly. It's purely speculating on my part on a "what if" but if the CPC had even half a leader this election would be in the bag. What I mean to communicate is, those who didn't run because they thought Trudeau would get at least two terms are probably thinking "FFS, I should have ran..." right about now.

Totally agree.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 23:34:42 »
Ambrose would knock it out of the park.  CPC just needs to figure out how Scheer can gracefully take a knee.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2019, 00:06:22 »
Ambrose would knock it out of the park.  CPC just needs to figure out how Scheer can gracefully take a knee.

Or Michelle Rempel, or Candice Bergen.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2019, 05:17:46 »
Or Michelle Rempel, or Candice Bergen.

Both excellent MPs and would great ministers, I suspect.  But I, like others,  think Ambrose is the best the CPC has.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 13:19:30 »
I subscribed to Michelle Rempel's Youtube channel some time ago, and am very impressed by her passion, energy, determination, and quick-thinking.

Any one of those three women, though, would be most excellent.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2019, 16:35:56 »
Ambrose would knock it out of the park.  CPC just needs to figure out how Scheer can gracefully take a knee.

I haven't been following since Ambrose left as interim leader, but wasn't there something about her not being able to run?  Or was it that she couldn't run right after becoming interim leader?
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2019, 16:40:50 »
As I recall at the time, the interim leader could not run for leader.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2019, 22:40:25 »
As I recall at the time, the interim leader could not run for leader.
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Ambrose, Rempel, Bergen, Riatt (in my descending order of capability) all show that genuine, non-jingoistic, capable women can represent a very valid and worthy flavour of modern feminism that doesn’t smell of mansplaining, pandering and virtue-signaling hollow feminism.

I truly wish something develops on the CPC side of the House for Rona to return to the leadership position she held so capably.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2019, 23:22:05 »
Not sure why we're completely writing off Scheer. More and more polls are showing statistical tie or Conservative lead, including the latest from Campaign Research: https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/02/15/conservatives-overtake-liberals-lead-snc-lavalin-affair-threatens-imperil-trudeaus-re-election-bid-poll-suggests/189118 which gives the Tories a 5 point lead.

Last year the Tories out fundraised the Liberals in every quarter, so Trudeau won't drop the writ until the very last moment so he can capitalize on third party support outside the writ. If the snowball that is SNC-Lavalin keeps rolling downhill, Scheer could conceivably ride a similar wave as Doug Ford into power: You run a Figure 11 target that's not Liberal as your leader and you win. The NDP are a non-factor right now, and really will only chip away at Liberal votes anyways should they see a resurgence when they finally have a leader in the Commons.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2019, 23:45:43 »
You run a Figure 11 target that's not Liberal as your leader and you win.

That's why everyone is writing off Scheer, because even a figure 11 could do a better job.

He may manage to win the next election... through absolutely nothing but Scheer dumb luck (pun intended).... but if he doesn't, I can't see how the CPC can keep him given that even a Figure 11 could beat Trudeau. That's where this conversation sort of started.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2019, 00:08:28 »
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Ambrose, Rempel, Bergen, Riatt (in my descending order of capability) all show that genuine, non-jingoistic, capable women can represent a very valid and worthy flavour of modern feminism that doesn’t smell of mansplaining, pandering and virtue-signaling hollow feminism.

I truly wish something develops on the CPC side of the House for Rona to return to the leadership position she held so capably.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2019, 08:44:09 »
I sure hope you don't mean knocking on doors the way you did it in the Sandbox.   ;D

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2019, 11:07:10 »
I sure hope you don't mean knocking on doors the way you did it in the Sandbox.   ;D

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2019, 14:42:11 »
My, personal, choice in the last leadership campaign was Erin O'Toole, but I, too, would have preferred Rona Ambrose.

In my opinion Ms Rempel, and another young Albertan named Natalie Pon, represent the CPC's future ~ young, urban, nationalist, socially moderate, fiscally prudent, etc ~ but neither is, yet, sufficiently bilingual. Ditto, I think for Ms Bergen, I'm not sure about Lisa Raitt.

I know that will rub a few people the wrong way but the fact is that we are officially, constitutionally bilingual country and a leader must be able to speak to and understand people in the other official language at least as well as Jean Chrétien did; that's not an incredibly high bar.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2019, 14:53:36 »
My fear is that the moment the Conservatives trot out a female leader, the Liberals will be gleefully salivating and quick to call up the ghost of Kim Campbell's leadership.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2019, 15:58:46 »
Doubtful.  In the current social/political milieu, parties of the left and centre-left will have to tread very carefully when criticizing any CPC candidate who is not "white" and "male".
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2019, 18:13:53 »
I think Rempel and Bergen are much like Pollievre, they are great antagonizers for the opposition, but I don't think any of them is truly a "leader." They are much better as followers. Because of the roles they've played as antagonizers I just don't see them as having the gravitas to be a Prime Minister.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2019, 08:09:46 »
..... I just don't see them as having the gravitas to be a Prime Minister.
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I can list several political leaders (and media talking heads) who fail massively at ticking that box;  I fear that quality has been beaten to death.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2019, 08:17:24 »
I think we all know who we truly want.


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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2019, 10:47:55 »
Lol.  Yeah...

What are people's thoughts on Doug Ford making the leap? 

Is there anything stopping from running for the party leadership while still serving as Premier (but stepping down if won of course).

The timing might be right when you think about it. 

Trudeau wins.  Scheer steps down.  An interim leader is chosen.  A new leadership race just before Ford has to declare a provincial election and takes the helm.

I was hoping the Mulroney would be ready for a federal leadership run but she was a lame duck at the provincial level and her being linked to eth Franco issue in Ontario likely makes her unelectable federally.

Ambrose if she comes back for me or MacKay.  The rest either are not electable or have issues of their own.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2019, 12:48:39 »
Doubtful.  In the current social/political milieu, parties of the left and centre-left will have to tread very carefully when criticizing any CPC candidate who is not "white" and "male".

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2019, 12:51:54 »
  :rofl:

I can list several political leaders (and media talking heads) who fail massively at ticking that box;  I fear that quality has been beaten to death.

Fair point, no one can be sure how much it's required anymore in our celebrity-obsessed culture. But they also don't really have celebrity status to plug that hole with either...
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2019, 14:13:52 »
Lol.  Yeah...

What are people's thoughts on Doug Ford making the leap? 

Is there anything stopping from running for the party leadership while still serving as Premier (but stepping down if won of course).

The timing might be right when you think about it. 

Trudeau wins.  Scheer steps down.  An interim leader is chosen.  A new leadership race just before Ford has to declare a provincial election and takes the helm.

I was hoping the Mulroney would be ready for a federal leadership run but she was a lame duck at the provincial level and her being linked to eth Franco issue in Ontario likely makes her unelectable federally.

Ambrose if she comes back for me or MacKay.  The rest either are not electable or have issues of their own.

I agree with all of the above. I find most of Ford's moves since becoming Premier are "scary Trump lite." I was surprised to see signs in the media recently that he may be thinking of a move in the direction of PM. Hell becoming a populist Premier worked out pretty good let's go for the big one.

As for poor Mulroney she sold her soul to Ford over his moves in the Ontario Franco issue.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2019, 18:00:48 »
I don't think Scheer will implode.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2019, 18:36:13 »
I'll stick with Scheer, for now. Too late to change him out, even though that worked for Ford. We're stuck with the devils we know going into this election.

Are there better? Who knows, he hasn't won yet, we have no idea how he'll be as a PM.

Enough believed trudeau to get him elected and look at what a disaster that turned out to be.

Scheer would need to be dead to do worse. Mind, a dead person could do better than trudeau is doing now.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2019, 19:12:36 »
The writer buried the MP's name until the end of the story. Why would that be ? Celina Caesar-Chavannes could no longer support the Liberal Party.


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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2019, 20:23:53 »
One advantage of Scheer is that he is very Mundane and since we unelect governments, being mundane might be a good thing. The Liberals have had a hard time making him look scary and since he does not appeal to Large C Conservatives, he may appeal to the undecided crowd who are the real electors of governments.