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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #400 on: June 22, 2020, 22:40:05 »
Looks like they might be getting bored with all the shootings in CHAZ:

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/seattle-says-theyll-dismantle-autonomous-zone-after-shootings/


Kind of off topic but there's some interesting sponsored T-shirts being sold from a Law Enforcement Veteran owned company off that site.




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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #401 on: June 22, 2020, 23:51:30 »
Those are just plain ******* stupid and inflammatory.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #402 on: June 23, 2020, 00:13:42 »
Yep.  But that horse left the barn long ago.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #403 on: June 23, 2020, 06:20:09 »
Those are just plain ******* stupid and inflammatory.

Completely agree. Touches on the "warrior" conversation we had in another thread.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #404 on: June 23, 2020, 07:24:16 »
Same stupid crap as half of the veteran run t shirt companies. Fortunately, at least up here, shirts like that would just get you laughed at.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #405 on: June 23, 2020, 09:30:59 »
I'm assuming the second shirt is based on Vlad the Impaler.  If so, I'm not sure that's really what they should be going with.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #406 on: June 23, 2020, 09:54:26 »
Given the religious theme I assume it has to do with Vlad the Christian standing up to muslim invaders.

But yes, probably not something they should be going with but I am sure it was intended.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #407 on: June 23, 2020, 10:08:57 »
How about the US vs the anarchists trying to takeover the country ? As in Europe the statues fall first. In the US even Grant's statue or Christopher Columbus isnt isnt safe. The idiots even attacked the monument to the first black regiment of the civil war.

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #408 on: June 23, 2020, 10:14:32 »
In the "2020, when else?" files, may I present: My Little Pony fandom has a neo-Nazi problem.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #409 on: June 23, 2020, 10:27:03 »
In the US even Grant's statue or Christopher Columbus isnt isnt safe.

Hopefully this Civil War monument at the Iowa state capitol is safe.

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #410 on: June 23, 2020, 10:42:15 »
the anarchists trying to takeover the country

Gonna let you mull that one for a few...
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #411 on: June 23, 2020, 10:53:11 »
Gonna let you mull that one for a few...

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #412 on: June 23, 2020, 11:04:06 »
the anarchists trying to takeover the country ?

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Donald Trump is the real anarchist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/02/donald-trump-is-real-anarchist/
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #413 on: June 23, 2020, 18:31:57 »
I wasn’t sure what thread to post this in, but Tim Pool summarizes the brewing situation here: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTUQzDFwW4&feature=youtu.be

Starts at 18.49 but his podcasts are all pretty good. 

Staff Note: Moved from the Racism in Canada thread as this is a US channel discussing US current events.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #415 on: June 29, 2020, 01:41:59 »
I can't wait until they move onto Washington. After all, he was a slave owner, and as Shakespeare said "the evil that men do lives after them..."
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #416 on: June 29, 2020, 13:16:05 »
No waiting needed.  Already happening.

Basically, anything offensive to anyone is to be removed.  Then we need to find things inoffensive to everyone to replace them.  Or nothing.
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #417 on: June 29, 2020, 13:37:14 »
Mississippi votes to remove Confederate emblem from state flag

JACKSON, Miss.  — Mississippi lawmakers voted Sunday to surrender the Confederate battle emblem from the state flag more than a century after white supremacist legislators adopted the design a generation after the South lost the Civil War.

Spectators in the Capitol cheered and applauded after the votes in the House and Senate.

Each chamber had broad bipartisan support for the historic decision. Republican Gov. Tate Reeves has said he will sign the bill, and the state flag will lose its official status as soon as he does. That could happen in the next few days.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7119292/mississippi-confederate-emblem-flag/
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #418 on: June 29, 2020, 20:56:35 »
No waiting needed.  Already happening.

Basically, anything offensive to anyone is to be removed.  Then we need to find things inoffensive to everyone to replace them.  Or nothing.

Interesting thing about that. As part of the game development studio I run, I have had to have the ocasional difficult conversation on this topic. The general point that gets made only once is that if content was removed for merely offending someone's beliefs, we wouldn't have a game. The person who initially brought the issue up adheres to a religious tradition which holds snakes as sacred, and the game has snake people as a faction.

Sorry, but the staples of comic books trump religious sensibilities in this regard. We aren't simply building a game for a single group of people.

The lack of offense would soon be found to cause offense.

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #419 on: June 30, 2020, 12:13:42 »
Girl is shot 4 times in the back with a rifle after ripping down a Nazi flag in someone's yard.on a dare.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/woman-shot-4-times-after-snatching-nazi-flag-from-mans-yard-in-oklahoma/ar-BB169XlE

Interesting quote from a local.

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Another woman and friend of the victim also said there had been no past issues with Feaster, but said his flags were problematic.

"I feel like these flags are a disaster waiting to happen," she told the News & Eagle. She also asked not to be identified.



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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #420 on: July 01, 2020, 11:58:31 »
Aaaand suddenly -- it's over:

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Seattle police retake precinct in CHOP, arrest multiple protesters following Durkan orders
Police Chief Carmen Best said "enough is enough" after fatal shootings in the area
By Stephen Sorace | Fox News

Seattle police have retaken the East Precinct after clearing out the protest area known as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest, or CHOP, making more than a dozen arrests after Mayor Jenny Durkan declared the gathering an unlawful assembly.

Police issued the order to disperse around 5 a.m. local time Wednesday, telling protesters to leave within eight minutes. At least 23 protesters were arrested for failure to disperse, obstruction, resisting arrest, and assault, police said.

A 29-year-old man was in possession of a large metal pipe and kitchen knife when he was arrested, police said.

The East Precinct, which police abandoned last month following standoffs and clashes with demonstrators, was cleared of protesters, Police Chief Carmen Best told reporters from inside CHOP. Best said police were not moving into the building yet.

“Our job is to support peaceful demonstration but what has happened on these streets over the last two weeks is lawless and it’s brutal and bottom line it is simply unacceptable,” Best told reporters, referring to two fatal shootings.

City workers were dismantling wooden and concrete barriers while police remained on the scene. Best said police and other city organizations will clean the area and the precinct before beginning operations as soon as reasonably possible.
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See rest here: https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chop-protest-durkan

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #421 on: July 01, 2020, 14:21:52 »
So now someone can calculate the murder rate (per 100,000 people per year) for CHOP and see how it compares to the bad old "system".
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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #422 on: July 01, 2020, 16:01:46 »
Aaaand suddenly -- it's over:

See rest here: https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chop-protest-durkan

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Its about time. The Mayor finally grew a pair. Who fu7king knew?

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #423 on: July 02, 2020, 00:46:57 »
On a related occupation:

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Army shuts down specialists’ Barracks Autonomous Zone
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FORT HOOD, Texas — Acting on a tip, agents from the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command arrested a group of specialists who occupied a barracks and declared it “autonomous from unrighteous laws and terrible torture such as adhering to the UCMJ, performing PT and eating at the DFAC.”

OBAZ, which stands for Occupied Barracks Autonomous Zone, was created by the shadowy “E-4 Mafia,” long presumed to be responsible for cancelled PT tests, destruction of criminal charging sheets, and the general state of malaise and incompetence that has plagued officers for decades.

The barracks was occupied for just two hours, but the specialists quickly set up barricades made of take-out pizza boxes, inflatable dolls and over 70,000 empty cans of snuff. Specialists also established an Entry Control Point (ECP) manned by a kidnaped private first class, who checked CAC cards while duct-taped to a chair and wearing only basic training-issue undergarments, sockless combat boots, and a horse-head mask. He was later removed under suspicion of being in the cavalry branch.

But during the short-lived occupation, a dispute broke out between the OBAZ organizers and E-4 TDYers from Fort Carson who wanted to rename the occupation the Hood Occupied Barracks Autonomous Gathering, an honorific term bestowed upon the indigenous people of nearby Killeen. HOBAG advocates posted signs with the alternate name, which initially confused undercover agents who thought there were two simultaneous occupations.

This misinformation caused commander-in-chief President Trump, and the U.N., to delay executing a JADE HELM response, or directing chemtrail strikes on the occupiers, according to prepper specialists who had stockpiled hundreds of MREs, pallets of ammunition, and scores of Alex Jones books in in the false ceilings of their barracks rooms.

During the occupation, the well-known social justice films “A Brony Tale” and “Avengers” were shown in the CQ area. Specialists watched while munching on Taco Bell delivered by OccupyEats, and drank Gatorade liberated from a nearby shopette during a midnight cordon-and-steal maneuver exercise.

The released private called the occupation, “Awesome!” and told reporters, “I can’t wait to become a specialist! There are a lot of things I’d like to occupy, like the company commander’s spouse and the CG’s—as soon I make NCO.”

Rick Daniel and Epic Blunder contributed to this article.

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Re: A Deeply Fractured US
« Reply #424 on: July 02, 2020, 15:01:46 »
A lot of articles have condemned the right for the divisions taking place in American society and in many cases rightly so. In this write-up, however, Damon Linker suggests that the left is equally to blame.

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Coronavirus is revealing a shattered country

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With President Trump's re-election campaign foundering and polls showing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden surging to a formidable lead in the presidential race, we've begun to hear a resurgence of a refrain that's been sung over and over again since Trump's shocking win in 2016. As soon as Trump goes down to defeat and is replaced by a Democrat, we are told, the country will quickly reset, with the derangements, scandals, and furious political hatreds of the past three-and-a-half years rapidly fading from the scene. Before you know it, America will be back to normal.

This has always been a fantasy, but it's an especially delusional one now. The fact is that America's problems are much vaster than Trump. The big, bad Orange Man is a symptom (both an effect and a cause) of a political system and national culture losing its bearings and spiraling down toward what looks distressingly like a collective nervous breakdown.

Take COVID-19. Trump and his party deserve considerable blame for its handling of the pandemic — first for downplaying the danger, then for failing to take advantage of several weeks in lockdown to set up a nationwide program of testing and tracing, for encouraging Republicans to view the virus through a culture-war lens, for foolishly treating the country's public health and economic well-being as sharply opposed to one another rather than deeply intertwined, and finally for largely giving up on public-health efforts at the federal level once the president decided that such measures were harming him politically.

Yet America's disastrous response to the coronavirus pandemic is not simply a function of the Trump administration's incompetence and incontinence. For one thing, the worst initial outbreak in the country — among the deadliest in the entire world — took place in and around liberal New York City, where the city's mayor has distinguished himself by the ineptitude of his leadership and the state's governor was responsible for instituting nursing home policies that led directly to enormous numbers of deaths.

Meanwhile, in more recent weeks media reports have emphasized that the current surge in new cases of the virus is taking place in a series of red states (Florida, Texas, Arizona) that may have reopened too quickly and haphazardly, and where many individuals seem strongly opposed to public mask-wearing to mitigate the spread of the virus. Yet deepest-blue California is also experiencing a surge in new cases — and there is mounting evidence that the Black Lives Matter protests of the past month (which were cheered on by many public-health authorities) may have spread the virus among the young people taking part in them.

This isn't a Republican fail. It's an American fail.

What is the source of the failure? It has many names — individualism, cultural libertarianism, atomism, selfishness, lack of social trust, suspicion of authority — and it takes a multitude of forms. But whatever we call it, it amounts to a refusal on the part of lots of Americans to think in terms of the social whole — of what's best for the community, of the common or public good. Each of us thinks we know what's best for ourselves. We resent being told what to do. If wearing a mask is unpleasant, we don't want to be forced to do it. In fact, a governing authority — or really, anyone, even fellow customers at a grocery store — reprimanding us for failing to do our part for public health is enough to make us dig in our heels and stubbornly refuse to go along.

Who are you to tell me what to do?

This can lead to terrible consequences during a pandemic, when just breathing around our fellow citizens can spread a debilitating or deadly disease. But it goes well beyond COVID-19.

As the Niskanen Center's Samuel Hammond recently argued in a deeply troubling tweet thread, hostility to government doesn't produce a world of morally responsible individuals going about their lives free from external authority. It leads to a world in which individuals defer to different kinds of authorities instead — and sub-national ethno-racial groups in particular. This is clear enough on the far right. But it can also be seen happening on the left, where (in Hammond's words) "the liberal core of American elite ideology ... [is] being succeeded by something new based in racial consciousness." Let's call this new racial consciousness "anti-whiteness."

As Hammond notes, this doesn't imply a moral equivalence between right-wing retirees shouting "white power!" from their golf carts and left-wing protesters pulling down or defacing monuments to people united by little more than their white skin. But it is to note that both are examples of political factions embracing a tribal sensibility — white nationalism in the first case and anti-whiteness in the second — over and against an identity tied to the political community as a whole and its complicated collective history. Both are also examples of those factions enacting their new-found tribalism by lashing out against shared public order and authority.

This is the doom loop into which we appear to have fallen. It's a politics of centrifugal forces that issues not just in partisan polarization and a vacated ideological center, but in an emptying out of any public, common life at all. The siloing of ideas and even reality online, along with the race- and class-based segregation of physical space that has long been a feature of American society, are feeding off of and amplifying each other in the crucible of a country confronting a deadly contagion, economic free-fall, and serious spike in urban gun violence.

Many Black citizens have understandably lost faith in law enforcement. Businesses are shuttering. Police are pulling back from enforcing public order. Acts of lawlessness are increasing. Leading newspapers are under pressure by activists and some of their own employees to abandon the ideal of objectivity in favor of a "moral clarity" that amounts to outright political advocacy. People are dismissing and mocking the advice of experts in public health.

This isn't what a liberal society is supposed to look like. It isn't fascism either. It may well be the early stages of a 10,000-front civil war. But more likely it's something else — a glimpse of a shattered country in decline, lacking consensus about much of anything, fractured into mutually antagonistic factions, and overseen by a government at any given time considered illegitimate by large portions of the nation and unable to muster the capacity to accomplish any public goal with competence.

A debilitating collapse in state capacity — that is what we're seeing, and it is both an effect and a cause of our incorrigible suspicion and distrust of authority of all kinds. Sometimes that suspicion is justified, sometimes it isn't. Either way, a nation of 330 million people will not be able to thrive in even the best of times with a government unable to provide basic public goods.

But in the very bad times in which we find ourselves right now? That's when things could really get ugly.[/url]

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