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Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« on: July 19, 2004, 23:03:10 »
Sorry for posting alot, just need some quick answers about small things before i leave to the recruiting center in the morning to drop off my app.

My birth certificate is in the Polish language, i dont have a translated one. Will this be ok, or will i have problems if i hand this one it??
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2004, 23:14:00 »
You are going to have to have it translated into either English of French.

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2004, 23:17:39 »
dang, where can i translate a birth certificate in Toronto, from Polish to english?? :crybaby:
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2004, 11:55:22 »
Try and see if you can either find a polish consulate or a place where a lot of polish people go to and someone there should be able to translate it for you. You also might have to get a new one sent to you in english, but that would most likely take a while for you.

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2004, 13:08:57 »
You probably want an official translation. Then you would not have to worry about trying to get a copy of your cirtificate in English. (If that is even possible)

Just google 'translation service canada' and you will get lots of companies.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2004, 14:48:58 »
Thx for the replies guys, but i went into the Telus book and found Certified Translators which most of the agencies charge from $60 and up , Did a little more search and found a private certified translator who charges 30 buks. Super Deal. Plus its very close to the recruiting center so i will go straight there tommorow. ;D ;D
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2004, 16:43:14 »
did they ask for that?? because I didn't find the certified translators... I just gave my birth certificate to the recruiter.. and he photocopyed for me... (my birth certificate is in Chinese, little bit of English)
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 23:45:20 »
hi all just wondering if any one had a link or an idea of how i would go about going after a replacement birth certificate.  I was born in saskatchewan but now live in alberta.  I ask because i do need this priceless peice of paper before i can submit an application   thanx

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 22:28:11 »
Alright, I've used and looked through the search function to see if anyone else had same question I had before.  So far none have.  So here's the question.  Does anyone know if the birth certificate has to be in English? Or could it be in another language as long as it's official?

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 22:36:45 »
Does anyone know if the birth certificate has to be in English? Or could it be in another language as long as it's official?

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 22:38:20 »
Alright, I've used and looked through the search function to see if anyone else had same question I had before.  So far none have.  So here's the question.  Does anyone know if the birth certificate has to be in English? Or could it be in another language as long as it's official?

If your birth certificate is official government issue in the jurisdiction in which you were born, that's fine. One can hardly expect a foreign state to issue birth certificates in English or French to appease a our bureaucracy.

The C.F. is well acquainted with naturalized citizens, and will have the proper personnel available when it comes time to security screen you to ensure the authenticity of your birth certificate. Don't let it worry you.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 22:56:26 »
Thanks for the quick replies.  Having non English certificate is fine for both application and documents to bring to CFLRS, right?
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 23:50:06 »
Thanks for the quick replies.  Having non English certificate is fine for both application and documents to bring to CFLRS, right?

Yeah man- your birth certificate is your birth certificate. The recruiting centre looks at all that, and they get it vetted. Good to go is good to go.  It's only going to come in whatever language it was produced in by the country you were born in. Trust me, you have nothing to worry about. There will simply have to be a bit of extra work put in on your file by the security screeners is all.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 23:51:32 »
Thank you very much  ;D

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2012, 16:27:22 »
Well, a reply to my email regarding this question came back from my recruiting center and it says it HAS to be in either English or French...

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 16:50:33 »
What country were you born in?
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 16:55:23 »
You will have to have it officially translated by a third party. The cost comes out of your pocket. Germany is very difficult to get a birth certificate in English, but as long as an official translation is provided with the original birth certificate, they will take it.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 16:58:55 »
You will have to have it officially translated by a third party. The cost comes out of your pocket. Germany is very difficult to get a birth certificate in English, but as long as an official translation is provided with the original birth certificate, they will take it.

Getting a notarized translation is not the same as mandating that an original document be in English or French. The former is easy. The latter is in many cases going to be impossible because the nation simply does not offer it in those languages. Anyone in recruiting who is communicating to an applicant that an original, foreign birth certificate must be in French or English is someone who I'm going to consider out to lunch, but likely due to inexperience. Simply thinking this one through shows how little sense that makes. Frankly this sounds like someone doesn't know an answer, so they're making one up.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 17:06:43 »
I was born in Korea and have the original certificate from there.  I'm going to get it translated and approved by the embassy that's in Vancouver downtown.  Just in case, CFLRS wants it in English or French. (can't be too careful right?)  Also, I sent an email out to CFLRS, although I don't think I won't get a reply any time soon since most or all the staff are out for the holidays.  Might as well go ask directly to the place I'll be going to.  But thanks for the replies. 

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 17:16:02 »
I was born in Korea and have the original certificate from there.  I'm going to get it translated and approved by the embassy that's in Vancouver downtown.  Just in case, CFLRS wants it in English or French. (can't be too careful right?)  Also, I sent an email out to CFLRS, although I don't think I won't get a reply any time soon since most or all the staff are out for the holidays.  Might as well go ask directly to the place I'll be going to.  But thanks for the replies.

Yeah, an 'official' (notarized) translation will do the trick then. Not a chance in hell there's a written policy anywhere saying that we expect an original birth certificate written in one of *our* official languages for a place like Korea. The person you talked to must have misinterpreted the need (if there is one) for an officially translated copy.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 19:57:23 »
I think that you may find that the recruiting centre will be more interested in your proof of Canadian citizenship vice your birth certificate from Korea.

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In addition to the application forms, all applicants must submit the following personal documents:

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    Photo identification (i.e. provincial drivers’ license, student identification, etc.)
    Academic transcripts (high school, college, and university)

Upon enrolment, you will be required to show:

    Your SIN card
    Any dependant birth certificates (as applicable)

Do not send original forms or documents by mail; please send photocopies with your application and retain the originals. Bring the originals with you for verification when you attend your first meeting at a recruitment centre.

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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 21:15:00 »
I think that you may find that the recruiting centre will be more interested in your proof of Canadian citizenship vice your birth certificate from Korea.

http://forces.ca/en/page/applynow-100#step1-1

 PERSONAL DOCUMENTS
 
In addition to the application forms, all applicants must submit the following personal documents:

    Birth certificate or proof of Canadian citizenship
    Photo identification (i.e. provincial drivers’ license, student identification, etc.)
    Academic transcripts (high school, college, and university)

Upon enrolment, you will be required to show:

    Your SIN card
    Any dependant birth certificates (as applicable)

Do not send original forms or documents by mail; please send photocopies with your application and retain the originals. Bring the originals with you for verification when you attend your first meeting at a recruitment centre.

For purposes of security and reliability screening I expect they would need both.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2012, 09:48:54 »
I just checked my recruiters handbook.

Yeah, an 'official' (notarized) translation will do the trick then. Not a chance in hell there's a written policy anywhere saying that we expect an original birth certificate written in one of *our* official languages for a place like Korea. The person you talked to must have misinterpreted the need (if there is one) for an officially translated copy.

Brihard is correct, there is no policy that says that the birth cert "Must be in english/french or translated."  I've had applicants bring in birth certificates from Yugoslavia, U.S.S.R. (Ukraine), one from South Korea, China and a couple of other places.  I have yet to request/require an applicant to bring in an English/French translation. As long as they have their citizenship card that we can copy as a Certified True Copy I have yet to have problems with Birth Certs from different countries.

I suspect,as Brihard suggested, that some one answered the phone who isn't a "recruiter", and made up an answer without checking with either the Military Career Councilors, or the recruiters in the office.
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Re: Birth Certificates and Citizenship (Merged)
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2012, 11:23:10 »
You will have to have it officially translated by a third party. The cost comes out of your pocket. Germany is very difficult to get a birth certificate in English, but as long as an official translation is provided with the original birth certificate, they will take it.

Odd, two of my children have German birth certificates, and they're in five languages, English included.
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