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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #750 on: June 01, 2014, 23:02:56 »
Guy Incognito, thank you for your reply. Now that I know that  I have to kinda redo Basics, I would rather not do BMQ for now due to the fact that I have to take time off from work as PRes and i do have my son to worry about.
My guess for the fact that most ATC training will take place other than Nav can is to cut cost and time, the DL and OJE will probably take place consecutively at a unit.I am hoping it will happen in Winnipeg that way I can still stay with my family for a bit, but its just my guess. Then after move to a assigned unit where my family can move with me. I have a much better understanding of the big picture now so I can integrate my life into it and try to make it work. I will speak to  recruiting and my platoon and proceed from there.
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #751 on: June 02, 2014, 06:56:46 »
There is no military ATC in Winnipeg.

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #752 on: June 02, 2014, 08:42:36 »
If you have not reached the QL 3 level and release from the Reserves, you cannot be processed by a CFRC for a minimum of 365 days after the date of your release and then after that waiting period, you will need to jump through allot of hoops even to be considered, so you could be in for a very long wait.  If you are already QL3 qualified and release from the Reserves, then you may very well also be subject to a minimum of a 6 month waiting period before you can be processed for Regular Force.  The current policies are under review but will come into effect very shortly based on what I have mentioned above.

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Just for clarity; the timelines you mention above are the current ones in effect now, or are they actually the proposed ones under review that will replace the current ones?

If they are the ones that will supersede current timelines, what are the actual current timelines?
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #753 on: June 02, 2014, 10:38:34 »
If you have not reached the QL 3 level and release from the Reserves, you cannot be processed by a CFRC for a minimum of 365 days after the date of your release and then after that waiting period, you will need to jump through allot of hoops even to be considered, so you could be in for a very long wait.  If you are already QL3 qualified and release from the Reserves, then you may very well also be subject to a minimum of a 6 month waiting period before you can be processed for Regular Force.  The current policies are under review but will come into effect very shortly based on what I have mentioned above.

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Just for clarity; the timelines you mention above are the current ones in effect now, or are they actually the proposed ones under review that will replace the current ones?

If they are the ones that will supersede current timelines, what are the actual current timelines?

Varies from location to location but what I have mentioned are the current "proposals/changes" that they are looking at implementing.  The "1 year" wait for those not reaching OFP is current and will most likely remain at that level.  The only big change being recommended, is a 6 month wait for everybody else.
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #754 on: June 02, 2014, 11:35:18 »
 ???  Wouldn't this be a CAF (national) policy?  How could it vary from location to location?
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #755 on: June 02, 2014, 19:52:05 »
There is no military ATC in Winnipeg.
Correct - however there is a huge contingent of AECs posted to Winnipeg - they man the CAOC and other similar tasks.  Plenty of opportunities for OJT there.
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #756 on: June 02, 2014, 21:08:00 »
???  Wouldn't this be a CAF (national) policy?  How could it vary from location to location?

It would be a CFRG Policy.  Current directive is non-OFP is a mandatory 1 year wait followed by further approvals after the one year.  4.C. OFP's currently have no waiting period (CANFORGEN and Recruiting Directive on the topic).
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #757 on: June 02, 2014, 21:35:37 »
Correct - however there is a huge contingent of AECs posted to Winnipeg - they man the CAOC and other similar tasks.  Plenty of opportunities for OJT there.

I believe their version of the OJT has some training associated with it in which case, 1/2 CAD doesn't really qualify.

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« Reply #758 on: June 02, 2014, 21:47:15 »
The DL is gone, and there's a new common core done at CFSACO.  While OJE at a Wing or Sqn is preferential, lots of folks end up spending their time at the Div or elsewhere.  I spent 16 months or so waiting while doing my old job in recruiting, but I asked for and got some TD to one of the towers before my course.

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #759 on: March 16, 2015, 16:08:01 »
Good day ,
I am from Winnipeg MB and have plans of going to become an Aerospace Control Officer. I am currently in Res MP, of which I am going to discharge and reenlist as I am a Pte with the MPs. If anyone has had experiences or knows about this position please fill me in.Any info would.be greatly appreciated. I really like Aviation and would like to make a career out of it.
I am married with a 19  old month son own a home with mortgage. My plan would be to have my family move to Cornwall ONT with me for the duration of my13 weeks of training after basic officer course in Quebec. Will the force pay for my move?
Second Qn: how long is the contract for this position?
3) Which are the bases will I be deployed to usually and the length I assume will depend on the nature of the operation itself.
4) Can my family come with me if possible if I get deployed such as US  or other non-war zones?
5)What if I failed the Nav Canada certificate test and are they difficult to pass?

I would say I am a pretty hard working person and I would put in a lot of effort into doing what I like. I dont expect myself to fail but just i case because I have my family to think about.
Thank you very much for your time, any input would be awesome:)

Greetings,

I am an AEC and can answer number five. The military trains AEC VFR and IFR controllers under their own license and program. Although Air Traffic Controllers in both the civilian and military side use the same rules (some rules are different for military), the licesnces they issue do not carry over. Thus, If I wanted to be a civilian air traffic controller I would have to quit the air force and re-take the NAV CANADA course and pass their check-out procedure in order to get a civilian license. I would not think that the military cares to much if you have failed your NAV Can certificate test. Being selected for AEC is based on Merit Listing for the military. Score high on aircrew, and education etc...and hopefully you will be selected. Show the recruiting centre you have the apptitude for AEC. I have friends who went on course with me who are very smart and gifted, but they did not make it through the course at NAV Centre (Canadian Forces School of Aerspace Control Operations). The trade takes hard work and dedication...be prepared to work abnormally hard. In the end, it is very worth it and everyone I work with are great to be around because we all love our jobs. Good Luck!

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #760 on: October 26, 2015, 18:32:30 »

To current AEC's

I should be writing my Air Crew Selection by the end of November 2015. By the time I hopefully get merit listed it's already going to be January 2016.

From the Forces.ca website, it shows that Aerospace Control Officer is in demand. Can anyone currently serving as an AEC kindly confirm the current shortage for AEC?

Will the shortage continue after next financial year?

Reason I'm asking is because my application is moving very slowly, and I'm hoping that the shortage isn't filled by the time my application is complete.

Thank you kindly!

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #761 on: November 04, 2015, 18:08:53 »
Can anyone currently serving as an AEC kindly confirm the current shortage for AEC?

Refer back to your recruitment center for up-to-date numbers for the trade. They may also be able to provide you with the date of the selection board.

Would a former AC Op be favoured for AEC upon completion of a bachelor's degree?

I can only speak to the Air Traffic Control side of AC Op/AEC. Undergoing AC Op training would certainly give you an advantage when training as an AEC, as both trades work side by side. Whether or not that gives you an advantage in selection, is a question best posed to a recruiter.
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #762 on: October 12, 2016, 10:00:56 »
Good morning,

I'm just waiting to be merit listed and was reading through some of the topics in this section and just have a few general questions.  When I started my application process back in July 2015, I was divorced and single.  Since then, I've gotten into a serious relationship, and my girlfriend (who is not from a military family or background) had a couple of questions about working hours and moving.

1) What are working hours generally like for AEC Officers?  I'm committed to working whatever hours are required, but we were just curious as to what a "normal" work week looks like.

2) Can she live with me for VFR/IFR/Wpns training in Cornwall?

I did a search and found some of these answers for other trades, but not for AEC specifically.

Thanks for your time,

Brian
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Recruiting Center: Kingston
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM:     DEO
Trade Choice 1:AEC
Trade Choice 2: MARS
Trade Choice 3: Int
Application Date: Jul. 9, 2015
First Contact: Jul. 10, 2015
CFAT: Aug. 5, 2015 Passed
MOST: Aug. 12, 2015 Passed
Medical : Mar. 29, 2016
Interview completed: Mar. 29, 2016
ACS: Jun. 6-7, 2016 Passed
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #763 on: October 13, 2016, 23:29:41 »
Work hours are going to vary depending on which unit you're posted to. Some units may have you working 8 hour shifts, some might have you working 12s. It's nearly guaranteed your first posting after training will involve shift work.

As for living with you while in Cornwall... yes, it is possible. If she stays at the Nav Centre, there's an additional fee per day she stays which covers meal service. She could also move into a rental in town. In either case, trust me when I say don't do it. The courses are intense, and having a significant other present would be a significant distraction. Have her come spend a weekend or two if she's not far away, or just settle for skype.

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #764 on: October 14, 2016, 08:48:44 »
Thanks for the advice, Guy.   Though it will be a bit yet in regards to Cornwall, I think by that point she'll be good for just coming on weekends (we live in Belleville, so it's only a three hour drive away).    Take care!
Recruiting Center: Kingston
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM:     DEO
Trade Choice 1:AEC
Trade Choice 2: MARS
Trade Choice 3: Int
Application Date: Jul. 9, 2015
First Contact: Jul. 10, 2015
CFAT: Aug. 5, 2015 Passed
MOST: Aug. 12, 2015 Passed
Medical : Mar. 29, 2016
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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #765 on: March 01, 2017, 10:36:11 »
Hey All,

My current situation is as follows:
 - previously in as MARS, currently supp res,
 - application is nearly complete, Interview/Security Clearance done. Waiting on medical to be reviewed in Ottawa,
 - it's been confirmed I don't have to redo basic trg,
 - waiting to be merit listed then will do either OJT or Cornwall.

My questions are: Do we know if there is still pre-course work to be done as of 2017? (I can find threads referring to it as of 2012, just wondering if there is any change)

Is there any unclassified material that could be suggested to better prepare myself for the upcoming course and subsequent career? (Currently bouncing between various Wikipedia pages on orders of battle and the book 'From the Ground Up'). I'd prefer a more focused approach if people have more relevant suggestions.

Thanks

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« Reply #766 on: March 01, 2017, 19:28:26 »
There is still pre-course work in 2017.  There is a Common AEC Course to do and then when you are selected for your Control Environment (Weapons/IFR/VFR) you will have more pre-course work to do before that specific controller course. 

"From the Ground Up" is a good start but unless you know what type of course you're going on any prep until then would be futile IE why study what a Tower Controller does if you get loaded on a Weapons Course. 

Good luck with the re-enrollment process

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« Reply #767 on: March 02, 2017, 07:06:00 »
Thanks for information. Is the common course component done in Cornwall or as OJT? Where is the pre-course work for the specific control environment done? Do you happen to know the time frame these typically follow (duration and typical time between). I guess I'll continue with 'From the Ground Up', is there any other things to look at that would be similar across all three control environments to focus on?

Thanks again for your time and assistance!

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #768 on: March 03, 2017, 20:36:30 »
Common Course in Cornwall is about a month, Pre Course while you wait at which ever base you are sent for OJT will probably last 3 months.  IFR/Weapons are 5 months and VFR course is 4 months.  I think the only other thing you can study are military and civilian aircraft identification and identifier codes. 

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« Reply #769 on: March 15, 2017, 14:50:27 »
Do you happen to have a link where I could find those handy codes? I've googled them but come up with all kinds of clutter instead of what I'm looking for.

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Re: Aerospace Control Officers-AEC [merged]
« Reply #771 on: March 19, 2017, 22:02:06 »
If you get streamed IFR/VFR there'll be a pre-course in Trenton for a couple weeks immediately before going to Cornwall.  The first 2 weeks in Cornwall will serve as a common course for general aviation information.  Both the IFR and VFR courses are changing dramatically, so a lot of the stream specific pre-course material won't be as useful to gloss over.

I wouldn't worry too much about trying to get ahead before starting.  Try to get a good OJT at an operational unit, it'll help.

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« Reply #772 on: March 23, 2017, 10:33:17 »
Thanks for the additional information, looking for study material more to fill my time productively than out of worry. Any suggestions on a good placement for OJT that's close to the east coast?

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« Reply #774 on: March 23, 2017, 22:50:05 »
Thanks for the additional information, looking for study material more to fill my time productively than out of worry. Any suggestions on a good placement for OJT that's close to the east coast?

Are you looking to Weapons or ATC? ATC wise the only operational unit would be Greenwood.  I've never been there, so I can't comment on how effective the stay would be in preparation for your course.